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this hope radio for the masses of Lion

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of the field July 8 1947 the Army Air

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Force to the present arms that are

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flying there - found and is now in the

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possession of the RA the babies which

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changed the game changer I occasionally

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think how quickly our differences

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worldwide would vanish if we were facing

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an alien threat from outside his work

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on a game changer radio

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network and a GRA the global radio

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like with Jimmy judge on the game change

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in that word

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how you doing it is Monday October 22nd

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2018 this is faith to black 298 days

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into the new year just 67 days left man

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we just about wraps 2018 pretty

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incredible

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as always we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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States hither and thither to and fro

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back and forth up and down east and west

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north and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer networking k tra the

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planets that's right

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I'm your host Amy Church what is

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cracking everybody how are you doing

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well where do I start

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what start for her that we go that's

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right in case you haven't heard tonight

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our guest is Richard Dolan that's right

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and Richard is here to have another open

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and frank conversation about our

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community all of it

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so get ready kids that's right I know

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you want me to say buckle up yeah come

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on it's Richard Richard we're just gonna

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we're just gonna sit and talk drink some

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coffee in talk that's what we're gonna

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do tonight Richard Dolan is here

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tomorrow night

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Wow really Laura eisenhower is here

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tomorrow night she's back with us always

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great when she's here I miss Laura so

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she's gonna be with us and I know that

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she is going to presenting be presenting

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this weekend in Albuquerque at the

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Stargate conference so she is with us

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tomorrow night Wednesday night Nick

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Redfern is back and he's going to talk

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about his new book that was just

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released and published we have it here

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on abductions and that will be Wednesday

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night Thursday night is another fader

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night open lines all night long that's

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right that's right

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open lines man what a great what a great

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favorite have we had this past Thursday

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talked about it all week

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it was so much fun so anyway there we go

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okay let's get let's get the show crack

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and we got a lot to do tonight and I

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know that there are a lot of you here

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and the thing is this this is what you

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want to do okay you want to follow me on

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Twitter that's that's the first thing so

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get that off of the list at Jay Church

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radio go and follow me the sandbox is

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then get your Twitter thing going

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whatever whatever it is that you want to

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say about this show tonight yeah you can

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pop me in there a a church radio that's

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hashtag f2b is where the conversation

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takes off okay that is the sandbox the

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fate or nots the loyal fans of this show

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over the years have named it the sandbox

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hashtag f2b if you have any questions or

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please use hashtag f2b q everything is

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up in front of me and live we have to

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chat rooms we have one in Spreaker we

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have one over at kg RA the planet and I

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we might even have chat live on the

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stream let me see here

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I'm gonna fly over to the stream I

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haven't even checked and let's see if

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the chatroom is going over there no it's

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that during the break I don't have time

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to do that right now okay two minutes

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it's too much to think about all the

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time tonight Richard Dolan is here you

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can follow everything that I do on

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calm okay it's all really that simple

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you can also email throughout the show

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we get to all the action tonight got

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some breaking news this is craziness two

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five artifacts thought to be part of the

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Dead Sea Scrolls are fake and will not

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be displayed anymore at the Museum of

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the Bible in Washington DC they

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announced it today that's right I find

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it hilarious seriously I do and the real

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question here is how much did they pay

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for them right how much five right this

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is isn't this hobby

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it's the hobby store chain what's it

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called ah

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I think these are the owners of that

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hobby store chain I can't remember what

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the name of it is but they owned this

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Bible in wha the Museum of the Bible in

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Washington DC and they've got a lot of

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questions about what they have acquired

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over the years with their money so

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there's that and of course was the

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purchase even legal how do you purchase

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pieces of the Dead Sea Scrolls oh man

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and who else purchased fake Dead Sea

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Scrolls well the bottom line is this is

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it Hobby Lobby thank you for that

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Cassandra is it Hobby Lobby all right I

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don't want to be wrong there but if

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anybody is interested I just want to let

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you know and is especially those at

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Hobby Lobby that I have an original Old

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Testament I do

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signed by Moses and it's for sale that's

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right and if you open it up right there

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on the front it says to Jimmy I'm a big

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fan signed MOU and it's for sale so just

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let me know you can contact me Jimmy at

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negotiate a price for that it's real to

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birthday to today Christopher Lloyd is

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80 most don't remember I do

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he played Reverend Jim Ignatowski on the

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hit show taxi but of course he was Doc

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Brown in the Back to the Future series

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80 years old happy birthday to Crystal

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Floyd Jeff Goldblum today is 68 and yeah

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I know what you're saying

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you know Jurassic Park yeah okay maybe

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thor ragnarok you know he's pretty good

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in that but it's always gonna be

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Independence Day for all of us around

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here at the office but he was also

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pretty good in the Life Aquatic and the

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grand Budapest hotel happy birthday to

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Jeff Goldblum on this day in history

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oh TD 1867 oh no that's the wrong one

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what happened oh no oh man my to the

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stain history is gone yeah

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and so's my fader fact so there you go

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so I'm gonna jump ahead and my on this

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day in history was man I forgot it

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already oh man there you go

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you gotta love live radio all right I'm

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gonna hit this coffee because we have to

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talk for a second this shameless plug

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for River Moon coffee oh man fade to

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black blend you know you go through life

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life has its ups and downs and everybody

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has dreams and you do your thing and all

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you want to do is just move forward and

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you know sometimes you have a little

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success sometimes you don't you know

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maybe you know I remember when I was in

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a band and I played gazzarri's for the

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first time it's like man oh man have we

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arrived we're playing gazzarri's tonight

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is this word like is this what it's

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about well I can safely say no no let me

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tell you what life is about when you

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drink your own coffee with your picture

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on the package that's a pretty good

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feeling so let me hit this again hmm

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fade to black blend by River moon coffee

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however I never end the shameless plugs

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for that alright so let me tell you how

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it is let's get comfortable for second

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folks the UFO community a UFO conference

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talk shows like fade to black or coast

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to coast am these are the safe zones

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that's right a place where you can come

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and share anything and everything

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without anyone passing judgment in fact

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it's supposed to be the exact opposite

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this is the place where you go where

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people may pass judgment they may not

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but your comments your stories your

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conversations are yours and yours alone

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and you are able to go and express

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yourselves I'll never forget my first

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MUFON meeting here in Los Angeles ten

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years ago and I stood in the middle of

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the room and as I was standing there

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there were like four or five

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conversations going around me at the

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same time you know just these two over

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here talking about being abducted all

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right these two in front of me are

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talking about ETS in their living rooms

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right over here to my right was a

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conversation I'm not I'm exaggerating

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here about the landing of a craft out in

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the desert that was witnessed by them

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and their friends and I was standing

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like holy crap this is great as my

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people I've never experienced that

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before and everybody's just talking and

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everybody is listening now

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remember at that time I had had my own

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little experiences that I had never

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shared with anyone ever you know and

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here I've got an opportunity I can

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actually talk to somebody and tell them

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what happened to me and they're gonna

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listen and and maybe even ask me

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questions and write this freedom now

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when I go to conferences today I have

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all kinds of people that come up to me

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and talk and yeah you know and they're

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sharing their own experiences and things

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and they've got something that they have

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to tell me and some of it can get way

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out there I'll admit that but I always

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listened I go back and think about what

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happened to me that first time and move

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on you know and that's what this

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community is about right

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hangout at a conference after hours in

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the bar or at different areas where

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people kind of hang out a park bench you

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know you know somewhere outside a couple

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of people smoking go up and listen to

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them you will hear one story after

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another and it's fun and it's cool and

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it's open these are people expressing

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you know and that's what this community

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is about and this show fade to black is

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no different it's the barbershop and

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when you have done as many shows as I

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have or taken as many phone calls as I

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have or done as many conferences I have

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in and meet and greets you learn one

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beautiful thing about this community and

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it's that we listen we share we talk

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it's what we do and this community of

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ours is all we've got we own it

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and you need to think about that this

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community is ours just like any other

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community or family we are going to have

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arguments we're going to have

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disagreements we're gonna have

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agreements we're gonna have parties

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we're gonna have the sad times we're

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gonna have the good times but that's

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what a family does and the family sticks

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together through the thick and thin

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through all of it because in the end all

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we have got is ourselves and it's

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because of this honor this tradition of

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openness here with this community don't

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ever let anyone tell you that you

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shouldn't listen to this person or that

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don't don't that is poison walk away run

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think about that every single day after

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a broadcast of fade to black or coast to

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coast it doesn't matter it doesn't

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matter who the guest is or what the

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subject is I'll get an email the next

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day from at least one person you know

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one one listener and it's gonna be an

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email from someone saying that I should

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never have that guest on again or

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it's every single day it doesn't matter

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who the guest is tonight it's Richard

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Dolan ha get an email tomorrow if you

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ever have Richard on the show again I'll

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never listen right it doesn't matter it

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doesn't matter who the guest is let's

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suppose for a second let's let's let's

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suppose that I actually did it think

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about this for real that we would

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actually blacklist a guest because of an

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email a post what does that say about

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the integrity of this

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show or myself think about that this

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show happens the way it does because I

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think that I'm gonna have an interesting

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conversation that's it

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just like hanging out at a MUFON

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symposium some UFO gathering right

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that's it

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it's just an interesting conversation

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whether it's about time travel ancient

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history

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pop culture Van Halen or orbiting

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Jupiter on an et starship with an a

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reptilian Overlord

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it doesn't matter it just doesn't so

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what would that say about my integrity

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think about that where you the listener

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are assuming a few things about fade to

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black and one of them is it's the

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barbershop everybody can come in here

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and talk I take unscreened phone calls

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anybody can call in I will listen to

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everybody right and if the conversation

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is interesting great if it's not it's

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not it's just like any other

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conversation that you're gonna have but

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you're assuming that everybody is

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welcome that suddenly I'm not bringing

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on a guest because somebody told me not

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to what does it just doesn't work that

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way it doesn't this show happens because

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I think I'm gonna have that interesting

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conversation which brings me to this

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whenever someone out there tries to say

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that we shouldn't listen that I

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shouldn't listen I back off I back off

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seriously i backpedal it's very very

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simple nobody knows the answer to the et

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or UFO question it's that simple

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nobody does nobody critics of this show

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don't know the answers to the et or UFO

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question

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they don't they don't they can't tell me

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that they do because I know they don't

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skeptics don't know the bunkers don't

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know abductees don't know experiencers

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don't know authors researchers don't

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know nobody knows nobody nobody there's

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no gray area or room for debate

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it's none there's none that's it that's

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the end of the story so if anybody tells

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you that they know the truth don't

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listen to this person listen to this run

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because they don't know honestly that's

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the exact opposite of the person that

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you need to be listening to and that's

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where you censor that's it so you have

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to ask yourself this why would anyone

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try to blow up this community why would

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anybody try to divide us why why would

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anybody try to cause drama anybody out

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there anybody think about that that's

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when you run this is our community man

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we'll deal with things on our own we

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don't need your help you know and

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especially those that aren't even part

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of the community they're trying to

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insert themselves into the drama oh my

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god it's it's funny now honestly I

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I'll admit that over the last few days

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I've gotten the emails I've gotten texts

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I've gotten the post saying Ginny have

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you seen this have you seen that they're

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talking about you man and honestly

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listen to me right now I haven't

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listened to anything I I don't click I

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don't read I don't watch the drama I

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don't listen to it I just don't do it

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now I hope I haven't bumped anybody out

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by saying this but I really have no idea

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what is

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nor do I care I really don't and I know

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that there are people out there they're

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probably listening right now that that

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are hoping that I've but but I haven't I

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honestly have it so I'm able to sit back

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and go no don't know don't know what was

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said then watch it don't care I don't

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will it affect fade to black know do I

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change my life today oh my god they said

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no it doesn't it doesn't change a thing

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there was only one reason to mention me

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or fade to black negatively in a video

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or a post honestly it's to elevate one's

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own ego whoever makes these statements

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needs to feel important they need to

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feel wanted they need to feel needed

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they're needy they've got an ego that

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needs to be fed and they probably want

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me to react and say their name in the

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air and that ain't gonna happen because

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well I have no idea what was said or who

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said it it don't care and this is the

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thing and here's the most important

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point and it's no joke I don't need to

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feed my ego by listening to someone else

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talk about me actually that just sounds

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kind of gross so I don't think it's I

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just don't do it

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I don't you need to think about

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everything that I just said what fade to

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black is about what I am about

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it's all the community first it's always

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been that way sure I've had questionable

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guests over the years sure I have had

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I've had I've had guests a phone calls

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on this show where you have listened to

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the story you've listened to the

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narrative you listen to the caller talk

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about their experience you've listened

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to me interview somebody that has shared

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whatever it is that they're gonna share

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and it may push the the envelope of

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believability and you are all sitting

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there waiting for what

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you're waiting for that guest or that

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caller to screw up do you want to see

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how far they can take it it's okay

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that's part of the support of it there's

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the other part of it when I have a

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caller that calls up when I have a guest

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that shared some experience that is

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similar to my own or your own and

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they've heard about it on the show and

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they've heard it discussed before and

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now they feel comfortable enough to come

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in here and share with us and that's why

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this show is so cool that's why it is

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just amazing and that's why people will

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come up to me at a conference because

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they know that I will listen because it

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goes right back to those original MUFON

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meetings where I went and I just had

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that freedom that freedom and I never

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want to let that go

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discernment is up to you the audience

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just like back in the day when I used to

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listen to coast to coast late at night I

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would listen to other alternative things

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I would read the books I I enjoyed it I

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kept an open mind tonight my guest is

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Richard Dolan

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and it seems that every time Richard is

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on the show there's some crazy business

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about tonight is no exception and it's a

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good thing though because Richard has a

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way of talking sense into everyone we

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all sit up and listen when when Richard

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enters the room it's the respect I have

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introduced Richard at countless

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conferences I have sat with Richard

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privately and had the most amazing

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conversations both in person and on the

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phone we have a mutual respect for each

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other and when I introduced Richard at a

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conference I make sure that I mentioned

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one thing every time which is something

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that this community can be proud of

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Richard's ten minutes at the Press Club

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in Washington DC those ten minutes that

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he spoke represented us

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and we can go and you can go and look at

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that video and know that this is the man

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that is representing this this this

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community and he speaks from not only a

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historical perspective but a very

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pragmatic view and and we need to always

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sit and listen to what richard has to

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say

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you may not agree but that's not the

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point you may agree and that is not the

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point

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back to our senses it's what he does

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and he does it so well one thing is for

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sure I long for the day when Richard and

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I can just sit and talk about UFOs then

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disco music you know and so hopefully in

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the future Richard will be on the show

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and I promise you all will talk about is

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UFOs it's one of the best parts about

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Richard that these days it all gets

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ignored so don't worry it's gonna happen

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soon and that is a pinky promise tonight

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our guest is Richard Dolan I want to

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remind everybody that tomorrow night

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Laura Eisenhower is back with us

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Wednesday night we have Nick Redfern

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here we're gonna talk about his new book

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on abductions and then of course

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Thursday night is another fader night

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right here on fade to black it is open

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lines all night long this is fade to

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black it's gonna be one of those nights

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I'm looking forward to this our guest is

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Richard Dolan I'll be back after this

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short break I'm your host Jimmy Church

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you can email me right now Jimmy and

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Jimmy church radio comm you can follow

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me on twitter @jj church radio you can

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all right welcome out Kate the black I'm

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heroes to me Church you can follow me on

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Twitter at Jay Church radio you can

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follow Richard Dolan at rich Dolan I

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don't know why it's not Richard I just

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think he was speed typing he just got

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too rich maybe his family calls him rich

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maybe that's some inside info and she

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can follow him at rich Dolan tomorrow

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night lor eyes and hours here Wednesday

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night Nick Redfern Thursday night is

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Fator night open lines tonight it's

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Richard Dolan one of the world's leading

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researchers and writers on the subject

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of UFOs and believes that they

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constitute the greatest mystery of our

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time richer completed his graduate work

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at the University of Rochester where he

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studied us cold war strategy European

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history and international diplomacy

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before that he studied at Alfred

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University and Oxford University and had

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been a finalist for a road scholarship

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he's the author of UFOs in the national

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security state he co-authored with by

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sable Edie after disclosure and of

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course his latest book and that I've

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been talking about for the last four

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years it's UFOs and the 21st century

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mind of course he hosts a weekly radio

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show the Richard Dolan show right here

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on KCRA he's a frequent guest with me

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over at coast-to-coast a.m. and is

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currently featured on several television

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series and documentaries including

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ancient aliens hangar one the UFO FILES

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and Close Encounters and of course his

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guy a TV series of false flags in

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addition to all of this research he also

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has Richard Dolan press which he

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actively publishes innovative books by

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authors from all around the world but

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tonight we're gonna discuss the latest

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news in our UFO community we're gonna

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talk about trademarks publishing and the

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media maybe get a little TT essay and

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maybe some gaya TV maybe some recent UFO

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sightings and of course his next book on

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false flags right now it's Richard bleep

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and doling I'm fade to black anything

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can happen and probably will welcome

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back Richard how are you man hello mr.

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Jimmy I'm glad to be here with you and

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Richard I'm not gonna talk to you about

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false flags tonight but

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let me ask you this what was the last

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song you listened to today Oh caught

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totally off-guard yeah you weren't

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expecting that were you today I'm Tracy

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sitting right here with me hey trace so

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I think at classical music some kind of

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box a box English sweets go listen and

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learn will do Donna Summer next time

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okay you know somebody tweeted out you

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know that Richard definitely listen to

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disco today but he's gonna he's gonna go

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the classical route and save himself

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that was actually it sweet really and

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you said that yeah so there you go you

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saved yourself prediction yeah that was

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pretty good that was pretty good hey

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Richard Richard bleep and Dolan are you

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gonna trademark that yeah I'm thinking

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I'm going to go through some trademark

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and some significant copy right measures

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myself to protect my own IP okay it's

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the only way to go

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yeah it's fair enough I'm not gonna

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trademark anything I think honestly the

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whole trademarking thing is bringing

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everyone right up to the edge of almost

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being like a patent troll and you know

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we're on here you and I chatted about

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this earlier today talking about the

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what I just think of as the quarry good

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trademark Fiasco right and I don't even

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pretend that I have the whole story on

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this Tracy and I we've been really

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trying to get to the bottom of it I have

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been trying to figure this out to the

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best of my ability and I know that

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there's information I probably lack but

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I it does look to me that we're dealing

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with on some level on one level a kind

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of almost standard battle that you find

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in media and among corporations to

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protect after after a nasty breakup

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which obviously happened with Corey and

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David Wilcock with Gaia over the rights

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to presumably their shows correct I'm

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guessing they probably are looking at

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greener pastures somewhere and they want

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to be able to or he wants to be able to

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maintain

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titles so I get that and probably a lot

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of people get that but the problem of

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course is a you know first of all you

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can't try to stop other people from

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talking about this subject that's

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ridiculous secondly to to have the

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pretense that you have ownership over

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certain phrases like SSP and really

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implied the phrase secret space program

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in his attorneys letter to chasten rice

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not long ago that certainly is implied

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so there's and I mean here's the thing I

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think a lot of us who've really followed

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the UFO field and had been involved in

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00:38:11,380 --> 00:38:08,450
it for a long time have tried to just

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avoid and ignore a lot of what's been

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going on and these so-called

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whistleblowers and the twenty and back

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programs and the like and just hoping

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that they would one day just go away I

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was one such person I just thought this

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00:38:28,750 --> 00:38:25,820
can't be real this can't be happening

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00:38:31,870 --> 00:38:28,760
and yet every year it was a phenomenon

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00:38:34,930 --> 00:38:31,880
that seemed to grow and leave so much

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00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:34,940
more litter and trash in the on the

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streets of our of our UFO oriented

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community right and I think what pushed

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a lot of folks over myself and a lot of

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my own colleagues I chatted with Joseph

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Ferrell and Katherine Austin Fitz and a

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number of other people who are very

766
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involved it's a lot of them are very

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00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:52,940
well known lots of people out on YouTube

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talking about this and I just think a

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lot of us are not really gonna want to

770
00:39:04,690 --> 00:39:00,980
put up with this anymore this is too far

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00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:04,700
you can't trademark certain phrases that

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have been in use for years and indeed

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decades like a secret space program let

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me jump in yeah yeah let me jump in

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really quick you're a publisher right

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do you trademark your stuff nope and and

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why and why is that why why should I

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need to okay seriously why should I need

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to trademark anything that I because I'm

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not creating fiction or I'm not creating

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like a creative work of art and

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I'm working in the field of history

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which is the field of truth right and

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how how is it that anyone could have a

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pretense to trademark truth like if I

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were writing a book on the people in the

787
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state of New York where I happen to live

788
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could i trademark New York State or the

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people of New York it would be absurd to

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be ridiculous hopefully people would

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laugh at me if I tried to do that the

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fact that Corey Goode has been trying to

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trademarks fear being Alliance or blue

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00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:09,630
avians that's what I would doesn't JK

795
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:11,280
Rowling would trademark Harry Potter

796
00:40:14,750 --> 00:40:13,020
because that's a work of fiction right

797
00:40:16,789 --> 00:40:14,760
like you would trademark works of

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00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,799
fiction but I mean if you're going on

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the pretense that what you're talking

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about is real and like like real people

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00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:26,039
like it are such blue avian blue birds

802
00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:28,170
that are out there then why would you

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show them the ultimate disrespect of

804
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:32,130
trying to trademark them like that

805
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:33,510
wouldn't make sense if they were real

806
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:35,400
but if there were work of fiction well

807
00:40:39,319 --> 00:40:37,170
it's entirely different so there's

808
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:39,329
there's just a lot of us going on and to

809
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:42,510
try to trademark things that are true

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00:40:46,849 --> 00:40:46,170
and particularly meaningful to a wider

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community

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that's pernicious and that's wrong and I

813
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think good people are right to try to

814
00:40:57,500 --> 00:40:55,049
step in and say something about it yeah

815
00:41:00,859 --> 00:40:57,510
and you know I've said you know I've

816
00:41:03,410 --> 00:41:00,869
stated very publicly here that I haven't

817
00:41:06,769 --> 00:41:03,420
trademarked anything I don't know if I

818
00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:06,779
should I don't know I but I really don't

819
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,859
care about it right in that it's it's

820
00:41:15,859 --> 00:41:12,960
it's this is a community that should

821
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:15,869
just be unrestricted the problem that I

822
00:41:20,359 --> 00:41:18,900
have first off anybody has the right to

823
00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:20,369
go and trademark whatever they want you

824
00:41:26,299 --> 00:41:23,640
Richard me or or anybody if they feel

825
00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:26,309
the need to protect themselves but if

826
00:41:33,049 --> 00:41:30,599
you do do that then you shouldn't be

827
00:41:36,380 --> 00:41:33,059
critical about anybody else that is

828
00:41:39,170 --> 00:41:36,390
making a trademark claim because then

829
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:39,180
it's a little bit hypocritical well

830
00:41:43,630 --> 00:41:40,619
actually yeah and when I first heard

831
00:41:46,940 --> 00:41:43,640
about this a couple of weeks ago my

832
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:46,950
initial inclination was to look at it

833
00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:48,569
exactly that way that he's just he's in

834
00:41:51,580 --> 00:41:49,390
a war with God

835
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:51,590
about money it's all about money and

836
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,290
those are sorted stories frequently but

837
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:56,240
nonetheless that's their business and if

838
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:57,440
you want to trademark something to

839
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,280
protect yourself okay I can get that but

840
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:03,200
when you jump over the line and attempt

841
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,450
there is always even then like this

842
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:07,280
there's subtext that people were

843
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:09,530
wondering about us too well yeah if you

844
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:10,970
trademarked something does that mean you

845
00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:13,010
have exclusive rights over certain types

846
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:15,230
of use of it whether it's monetization

847
00:42:20,050 --> 00:42:17,290
or certain types of other uses and that

848
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:20,060
lurk in the background and and I

849
00:42:23,110 --> 00:42:21,650
understand that he has said no no I'm

850
00:42:25,570 --> 00:42:23,120
not trying to do that but then he goes

851
00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:25,580
and does it like he goes and does it to

852
00:42:31,090 --> 00:42:28,190
Jason rice and an explicit losing his

853
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:31,100
lawyer using phrases like ssbn secret

854
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:34,640
space program and honestly I have to say

855
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:37,010
this like if you need a lawyer I would

856
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:39,170
not use his lawyer because that is such

857
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:40,450
a ham-fisted

858
00:42:45,550 --> 00:42:42,770
obvious attempt like a sledgehammer

859
00:42:47,740 --> 00:42:45,560
style of intimidation yeah that would be

860
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:47,750
used at Jason rice I just think are you

861
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:51,200
kidding me like it's like that can't be

862
00:42:56,620 --> 00:42:54,110
a credible legal threat indeed if you

863
00:42:58,330 --> 00:42:56,630
read that letter carefully there isn't

864
00:43:01,570 --> 00:42:58,340
really any kind of legal standing that

865
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,580
they have it's just all you know like we

866
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:03,200
are you are strong was that you're

867
00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:05,090
strongly requested we've firmly

868
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:07,910
requested to cease and desist it's like

869
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:09,410
what are you gonna do you know use harsh

870
00:43:12,370 --> 00:43:11,210
language at me I didn't really have

871
00:43:15,820 --> 00:43:12,380
anything but the fact that they're

872
00:43:18,190 --> 00:43:15,830
trying to is is a nasty a nasty little

873
00:43:20,260 --> 00:43:18,200
thing to do I mean it really showed well

874
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:20,270
it shows many people gonna say it shows

875
00:43:25,810 --> 00:43:22,250
his true colors I guess I would you know

876
00:43:28,540 --> 00:43:25,820
this is this is you know I'm not

877
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:28,550
directly involved but I somewhat am in

878
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:31,610
in in in that letter and how it was

879
00:43:37,870 --> 00:43:35,510
perceived and for me yeah for me look

880
00:43:39,610 --> 00:43:37,880
okay if you want to trademark somethin

881
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:39,620
trade market you got t-shirts you want

882
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:41,330
to make you got a comic book you're

883
00:43:44,110 --> 00:43:42,560
gonna you got a movie you're gonna do

884
00:43:47,260 --> 00:43:44,120
you got it whatever and you feel the

885
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:47,270
need that's fine and not controlling

886
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:49,970
people's conversations and if people are

887
00:43:55,540 --> 00:43:52,880
free and you want to say that fine but

888
00:43:59,110 --> 00:43:55,550
then you this letter gets sent out and

889
00:44:00,850 --> 00:43:59,120
goes public that letter reads to me that

890
00:44:02,530 --> 00:44:00,860
you are telling somebody that if they

891
00:44:04,690 --> 00:44:02,540
come on this show they can't

892
00:44:05,950 --> 00:44:04,700
talk about things that you don't want

893
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:05,960
them to talk about and that is

894
00:44:11,020 --> 00:44:10,160
censorship and I I that letter rub me

895
00:44:13,540 --> 00:44:11,030
the wrong way

896
00:44:16,450 --> 00:44:13,550
I mean well it should I mean that letter

897
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:16,460
is one more symptom of a much much more

898
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:20,000
generalized sickness in our society and

899
00:44:24,610 --> 00:44:22,610
it's goes well beyond the UFO feel this

900
00:44:27,130 --> 00:44:24,620
is very widespread and it is in tact in

901
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:27,140
many ways on the range of what people

902
00:44:30,420 --> 00:44:28,910
can say in public and I think what's

903
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:30,430
happened in over 20 years we've been

904
00:44:36,490 --> 00:44:34,640
beaten down more and more by don't say

905
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:36,500
this don't do that don't think that or

906
00:44:39,850 --> 00:44:38,090
you're a bad person can't say this and

907
00:44:42,220 --> 00:44:39,860
we've gone into this point in our

908
00:44:44,290 --> 00:44:42,230
society where we just kind of like we

909
00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:44,300
shrug our shoulders I guess I can't say

910
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:47,030
that and so I think if this tactic had

911
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:49,610
been tried 20 plus years ago we would

912
00:44:53,530 --> 00:44:52,010
have laughed it out of existence like it

913
00:44:55,390 --> 00:44:53,540
could never have been conceived right

914
00:44:59,380 --> 00:44:55,400
but the fact that it can be conceived

915
00:45:01,330 --> 00:44:59,390
today and attempted is is just a sign of

916
00:45:04,030 --> 00:45:01,340
a broader sickness that we have in our

917
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:04,040
society but no this is a really bad

918
00:45:10,990 --> 00:45:08,330
thing and and aside from that I mean I

919
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:11,000
don't really even it's almost bothers

920
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:12,770
them to talk about this because in my

921
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:16,130
view the UFO subject is serious and when

922
00:45:21,850 --> 00:45:18,710
we and and the secret space program

923
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:21,860
itself is something that's very serious

924
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,890
and and meaningful and I just have to

925
00:45:29,860 --> 00:45:26,720
say this and in fact I've mentioned this

926
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:29,870
with you previously on prior shows that

927
00:45:34,810 --> 00:45:31,490
we have done together over the years and

928
00:45:36,310 --> 00:45:34,820
and I don't know for a absolute fact

929
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:36,320
that this is the case with Corey Goode

930
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,510
or other people who've claimed to be

931
00:45:42,820 --> 00:45:40,400
whistleblowers in a secret space program

932
00:45:45,490 --> 00:45:42,830
but I will say that over the long

933
00:45:47,710 --> 00:45:45,500
history of the UFO phenomenon there has

934
00:45:51,340 --> 00:45:47,720
been a great deal of infiltration of

935
00:45:53,710 --> 00:45:51,350
this subject of this field by the US

936
00:45:56,050 --> 00:45:53,720
intelligence community it's happened

937
00:45:59,020 --> 00:45:56,060
there's been I was looking into this

938
00:46:01,660 --> 00:45:59,030
just recently for some of the broadcasts

939
00:46:03,730 --> 00:46:01,670
that I've been doing and back in the

940
00:46:06,820 --> 00:46:03,740
1950s you had contact he's like George

941
00:46:09,010 --> 00:46:06,830
Van Tassel and George Adamski and Howard

942
00:46:11,530 --> 00:46:09,020
Menger and Truman

943
00:46:14,050 --> 00:46:11,540
pathar and George hunt Williamson all of

944
00:46:15,450 --> 00:46:14,060
whom appear to have had different types

945
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:15,460
of connections

946
00:46:20,820 --> 00:46:18,610
to the US intelligence community whether

947
00:46:23,820 --> 00:46:20,830
FBI or maybe even in the case of Adamski

948
00:46:26,610 --> 00:46:23,830
suspected CIA and this isn't proven but

949
00:46:29,970 --> 00:46:26,620
there are indications and I bring this

950
00:46:31,890 --> 00:46:29,980
up because many researchers have

951
00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:31,900
concluded that at least some of those

952
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,880
contactees you know I met with people

953
00:46:38,490 --> 00:46:35,920
from Venus and I have this message for

954
00:46:40,940 --> 00:46:38,500
Humanity and so on we're brought in in

955
00:46:44,130 --> 00:46:40,950
order to discredit the genuine

956
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:44,140
phenomenon itself no we do know that the

957
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:45,970
US intelligence community back in the

958
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:48,640
50s and 60s and all throughout was

959
00:46:52,650 --> 00:46:50,650
actively involved in infiltrating the

960
00:46:55,620 --> 00:46:52,660
UFO field we know this through the

961
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,630
Robertson panel we know this beyond you

962
00:46:59,100 --> 00:46:57,040
of those who things like operation

963
00:47:01,470 --> 00:46:59,110
Mockingbird where the CIA completely

964
00:47:03,930 --> 00:47:01,480
managed so much of US media for decades

965
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:03,940
and they still do frankly so there's

966
00:47:07,890 --> 00:47:05,770
infiltration and they were infiltration

967
00:47:09,540 --> 00:47:07,900
of UFO groups like a pro and nightcap

968
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:09,550
and move on

969
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:11,170
there is the well-known disinformation

970
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,330
campaign by Richard Doty against Paul

971
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:15,520
bennewitz around 1980 right so this has

972
00:47:21,090 --> 00:47:18,250
happened and what I what I'm saying is

973
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:21,100
if there is a genuine secret spray space

974
00:47:25,290 --> 00:47:23,050
program which I firmly believe there is

975
00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:25,300
firmly and have a lot of reasons why be

976
00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:28,390
happy to explain this again and if and

977
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:30,660
if we were in charge of maintaining

978
00:47:35,610 --> 00:47:33,370
security on that very important program

979
00:47:37,470 --> 00:47:35,620
it would be the greatest thing wouldn't

980
00:47:40,590 --> 00:47:37,480
it to have people going out into the

981
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:40,600
public talking smack about things that

982
00:47:45,810 --> 00:47:43,810
are just so absolutely absurd that the

983
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:45,820
entire subject loses all credibility and

984
00:47:51,810 --> 00:47:48,640
serious research stays away from it so

985
00:47:54,210 --> 00:47:51,820
it is a tactic and and we know in fact

986
00:47:57,390 --> 00:47:54,220
that this is something that continues to

987
00:48:01,470 --> 00:47:57,400
this day Edward Snowden made this very

988
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:01,480
very clear with his releases when he

989
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:04,570
talked about GCHQ that's Britain's NSA

990
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,250
basically about how you know they have

991
00:48:13,290 --> 00:48:10,960
programs to control infiltrate

992
00:48:17,330 --> 00:48:13,300
manipulate online discourse and to

993
00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:17,340
compromise the integrity of online

994
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:19,630
conversations and create things like

995
00:48:24,090 --> 00:48:22,090
fake victim posts where you know there's

996
00:48:25,830 --> 00:48:24,100
alleged victims of a target that they

997
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:25,840
want to destroy their reputation like

998
00:48:28,259 --> 00:48:27,130
what appears to have happened to Julian

999
00:48:30,539 --> 00:48:28,269
Assange

1000
00:48:34,589 --> 00:48:30,549
so you have active types of

1001
00:48:36,419 --> 00:48:34,599
disinformation going on today you have a

1002
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,429
statement by Cass Sunstein he was a

1003
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:38,559
leading lawyer and a judge very

1004
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:40,049
prominent in the Obama administration

1005
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:43,119
back in OAD co-authored a paper talking

1006
00:48:48,329 --> 00:48:44,649
about conspiracy theories he talked

1007
00:48:50,909 --> 00:48:48,339
about how do we deal with government the

1008
00:48:53,909 --> 00:48:50,919
government responds to these what he

1009
00:48:55,049 --> 00:48:53,919
would now call fake news and he just

1010
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:55,059
said look what we got to do is create

1011
00:48:58,859 --> 00:48:57,129
cognitive infiltration of extremist

1012
00:49:00,509 --> 00:48:58,869
groups so I'll leave that to you to

1013
00:49:02,279 --> 00:49:00,519
decide what that means cognitive

1014
00:49:04,529 --> 00:49:02,289
infiltration of groups that they

1015
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:04,539
consider to be a danger that's as

1016
00:49:10,439 --> 00:49:07,119
recently as 2008 so everything's in

1017
00:49:12,959 --> 00:49:10,449
place for us to see the evidence that

1018
00:49:14,789 --> 00:49:12,969
there is very strong reason that

1019
00:49:18,419 --> 00:49:14,799
intelligence agencies would seek to

1020
00:49:21,179 --> 00:49:18,429
undermine groups and organizations that

1021
00:49:24,029 --> 00:49:21,189
they deemed to be dangerous and I don't

1022
00:49:25,169 --> 00:49:24,039
again I don't know Cory goods deal here

1023
00:49:26,939 --> 00:49:25,179
okay

1024
00:49:29,819 --> 00:49:26,949
I mean I've met him a couple times

1025
00:49:32,129 --> 00:49:29,829
personally and I'll just say like we

1026
00:49:35,939 --> 00:49:32,139
were very civil with each other I sat

1027
00:49:38,369 --> 00:49:35,949
next to him at the MUFON panel in 2017

1028
00:49:41,129 --> 00:49:38,379
which lots of people have you can see

1029
00:49:43,289 --> 00:49:41,139
that on YouTube and I have nothing I

1030
00:49:45,569 --> 00:49:43,299
have nothing against this man personally

1031
00:49:49,009 --> 00:49:45,579
and I think he would believe me and it's

1032
00:49:51,059 --> 00:49:49,019
true but what I do feel a strong

1033
00:49:54,359 --> 00:49:51,069
obligation for us to defend the

1034
00:49:58,049 --> 00:49:54,369
integrity of my field that is the field

1035
00:50:02,279 --> 00:49:58,059
of of UFOs that is legitimate and and

1036
00:50:05,429 --> 00:50:02,289
that really can't be dragged through one

1037
00:50:09,449 --> 00:50:05,439
after another of not only unproven

1038
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:09,459
claims but unprovable claims you know I

1039
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:11,649
mean these are literally like impossible

1040
00:50:16,619 --> 00:50:14,649
to verify and and they're the kinds of

1041
00:50:20,219 --> 00:50:16,629
stories and and I'm gonna let you get a

1042
00:50:21,959 --> 00:50:20,229
I'll take a breath here for you these

1043
00:50:24,329 --> 00:50:21,969
are the kinds of stories like if these

1044
00:50:25,859 --> 00:50:24,339
were from your next-door neighbor you

1045
00:50:27,929 --> 00:50:25,869
know who said yeah I went to Mars

1046
00:50:30,509 --> 00:50:27,939
you'd be like oh really you went to Mars

1047
00:50:32,419 --> 00:50:30,519
yes I went to Mars you might be a little

1048
00:50:35,309 --> 00:50:32,429
suspicious and you you might ask them

1049
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:35,319
right you'd say well how long were you

1050
00:50:40,139 --> 00:50:35,649
there

1051
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:40,149
another kind of incredible thing and and

1052
00:50:45,450 --> 00:50:42,160
and then you'd say well

1053
00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:45,460
people must have missed you I mean or do

1054
00:50:47,790 --> 00:50:46,900
you have any documentation no no

1055
00:50:49,620 --> 00:50:47,800
documentation

1056
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:49,630
well did people miss you no no one

1057
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:51,370
missed me because at the end of my 20

1058
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:53,530
years I came right back to my house and

1059
00:50:57,330 --> 00:50:55,090
no one knew I left left the house at all

1060
00:50:58,920 --> 00:50:57,340
and you would think my next-door

1061
00:51:01,620 --> 00:50:58,930
neighbors crazy like you would think

1062
00:51:05,580 --> 00:51:01,630
that anyone would think that but there's

1063
00:51:07,830 --> 00:51:05,590
a very very odd phenomenon

1064
00:51:11,550 --> 00:51:07,840
I believe that happens in our society

1065
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:11,560
when you get those such a person you put

1066
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:13,930
them in front of 500 or 1000 people in

1067
00:51:20,670 --> 00:51:17,200
hushed tones where they're practically

1068
00:51:23,340 --> 00:51:20,680
revered and a different mindset happens

1069
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:23,350
and it's a kind of hypnotism and it's a

1070
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:25,570
very dangerous thing where in our

1071
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:28,720
society no one or not at least many

1072
00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:31,450
people are not asking for evidence some

1073
00:51:34,650 --> 00:51:32,950
people thankfully are asking and

1074
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:34,660
demanding evidence but lots of people

1075
00:51:43,290 --> 00:51:39,010
aren't so you know this is now the time

1076
00:51:45,330 --> 00:51:43,300
I think it just was very miscalculated

1077
00:51:46,890 --> 00:51:45,340
moved a ham-fisted move to try to

1078
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:46,900
prevent someone else from talking about

1079
00:51:51,630 --> 00:51:48,850
this by cleaning Amish claiming

1080
00:51:54,030 --> 00:51:51,640
ownership over these phrases that have I

1081
00:51:57,210 --> 00:51:54,040
think brought a lot of people together

1082
00:52:00,330 --> 00:51:57,220
and they've just said enough no more and

1083
00:52:02,490 --> 00:52:00,340
I'm one of them yeah yeah yeah and let

1084
00:52:07,710 --> 00:52:02,500
me let me ask you this Richard and this

1085
00:52:10,530 --> 00:52:07,720
is an in defense of or or even a

1086
00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:10,540
negative approach to any of this because

1087
00:52:16,890 --> 00:52:13,390
of my past guest on this show and that

1088
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:16,900
some most are friends of yours too as

1089
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:20,910
well so I'm not making anything

1090
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:25,530
definitive by saying this but let's say

1091
00:52:31,350 --> 00:52:29,200
that we have you and I are sitting

1092
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:31,360
sitting at a conference and somebody

1093
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:33,490
comes up and sits down that you and I

1094
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:35,770
know and they're telling us about their

1095
00:52:40,620 --> 00:52:38,890
abduction experience where a craft

1096
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:40,630
landed in their backyard they went out

1097
00:52:46,890 --> 00:52:42,490
they took off in the craft and they were

1098
00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:46,900
they were probed and eyes were cut into

1099
00:52:51,780 --> 00:52:50,500
whatever implants like that you know

1100
00:52:53,070 --> 00:52:51,790
they had their experience they come back

1101
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:53,080
and they sit down and they share this

1102
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:54,490
with us and and you and I are sitting

1103
00:52:58,370 --> 00:52:55,680
there

1104
00:53:01,820 --> 00:52:58,380
do you call BS at that moment to that

1105
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:01,830
person's face okay let me ask you not

1106
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:05,310
and so but but hold on this is this is

1107
00:53:11,710 --> 00:53:06,930
where because I've had my own

1108
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:11,720
experiences too and when I have my

1109
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:14,880
experiences that as crazy as they are

1110
00:53:21,250 --> 00:53:18,000
and somebody talks about going on a

1111
00:53:25,609 --> 00:53:21,260
craft or you know and and in

1112
00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:25,619
experiencing communication and a close

1113
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:27,300
encounter of the third or fourth kind

1114
00:53:33,170 --> 00:53:30,720
how is that any difference and how we

1115
00:53:35,660 --> 00:53:33,180
listen to them if they don't have the

1116
00:53:39,170 --> 00:53:35,670
the evidence that everybody wants to

1117
00:53:43,730 --> 00:53:39,180
scream for how is it different with with

1118
00:53:47,870 --> 00:53:43,740
Cory or Andy Boucher go or Randy Cramer

1119
00:53:50,570 --> 00:53:47,880
or you know or anybody else that that

1120
00:53:52,130 --> 00:53:50,580
we're gonna listen to in that I think

1121
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,140
it's a very good point that you raise

1122
00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:54,480
and I'm glad that you did I mean there's

1123
00:53:59,150 --> 00:53:57,480
a great deal of of nuance and gray area

1124
00:54:01,040 --> 00:53:59,160
when you talk about people who've come

1125
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:01,050
forward with their experiences and I

1126
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,310
just personally want folks to know if

1127
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:06,480
they hear me and sometimes they think

1128
00:54:10,609 --> 00:54:08,250
wow he's coming down very hard against

1129
00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:10,619
experience there's not true like not

1130
00:54:14,780 --> 00:54:12,630
true at all I have spoken to and

1131
00:54:17,390 --> 00:54:14,790
interviewed hundreds hundreds of

1132
00:54:21,790 --> 00:54:17,400
individuals who've had very very

1133
00:54:24,109 --> 00:54:21,800
troubling and interesting and amazing

1134
00:54:25,970 --> 00:54:24,119
experiences what appear to be with what

1135
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:25,980
appear to be other beings that are not

1136
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:29,250
human a lot of these people I would say

1137
00:54:35,650 --> 00:54:32,400
most I find credible but there's there's

1138
00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:35,660
differences all right so with most of

1139
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:39,030
these people I mean I cannot prove their

1140
00:54:44,090 --> 00:54:42,570
their experiences that is true but

1141
00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:44,100
that's not the same as saying that

1142
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:46,230
everyone's unprovable experiences are

1143
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:47,910
therefore equal because I don't I don't

1144
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:51,359
agree with that there are other ways of

1145
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:55,260
judging it so for example someone can

1146
00:54:58,250 --> 00:54:56,700
come up to me at a conference for

1147
00:55:02,330 --> 00:54:58,260
example and I don't know them from Adam

1148
00:55:04,730 --> 00:55:02,340
and they live a life pretty much in

1149
00:55:05,780 --> 00:55:04,740
anonymity and they come up to me and

1150
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:05,790
they say look I don't really want

1151
00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:10,550
I respect what you do and this is

1152
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:12,300
something that happened to me X number

1153
00:55:16,580 --> 00:55:13,050
of years ago

1154
00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:16,590
and they're not asking for anything all

1155
00:55:21,740 --> 00:55:18,780
right so that carries a certain amount

1156
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:21,750
of weight to shore dose and and there's

1157
00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:24,930
just the the fact of how how is this

1158
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:27,720
human judgment work this isn't a science

1159
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:30,330
there's no not a math equation that's in

1160
00:55:34,610 --> 00:55:32,250
place for me or for anyone I would think

1161
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:34,620
where they say you know they have the

1162
00:55:37,850 --> 00:55:36,510
gavel and it's a real and not real and

1163
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:37,860
so forth it doesn't work like that it's

1164
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:41,010
true however in the case of these

1165
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:43,380
whistleblowers all right so if you're

1166
00:55:48,970 --> 00:55:47,010
gonna make a claim that you went to Mars

1167
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:48,980
let's sing all right

1168
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:51,420
you know it may be the case that you

1169
00:55:56,420 --> 00:55:53,130
can't prove that you went to Mars right

1170
00:55:58,180 --> 00:55:56,430
I can understand that so can you give us

1171
00:56:00,980 --> 00:55:58,190
something else can you throw us a bone

1172
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:00,990
don't give me New Age ideology and

1173
00:56:05,890 --> 00:56:03,690
platitudes please don't give me any of

1174
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:05,900
that could you please however give me

1175
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:08,370
something that I can genuinely work with

1176
00:56:16,180 --> 00:56:11,700
that is in any remote way verifiable and

1177
00:56:20,450 --> 00:56:16,190
that doesn't reek of self-glorification

1178
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:20,460
and you know this type of thing that's

1179
00:56:25,370 --> 00:56:23,370
happened and also I really I think I

1180
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:25,380
wasn't necessarily gonna bring this up

1181
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:27,570
but the the core good and the project

1182
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,210
Avalon server data situation is

1183
00:56:36,820 --> 00:56:32,640
something that I think is a significant

1184
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:36,830
element here and what is a fact is that

1185
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:40,710
you know his quarry Goode was an active

1186
00:56:45,500 --> 00:56:42,690
member of project Avalon and I know bill

1187
00:56:49,070 --> 00:56:45,510
Ryan you know bill Ryan who runs Avalon

1188
00:56:53,450 --> 00:56:49,080
and has run it for years Avalon is an

1189
00:56:56,450 --> 00:56:53,460
amazing forum we're very very engaged

1190
00:56:59,330 --> 00:56:56,460
individuals in this subject talk about

1191
00:57:01,550 --> 00:56:59,340
of well pretty much every element of the

1192
00:57:03,350 --> 00:57:01,560
subject Under the Sun including Mars

1193
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,360
including Antarctica and all the other

1194
00:57:08,420 --> 00:57:05,280
things that are out on the fringe even

1195
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:08,430
for ufology and what they were able to

1196
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:11,010
do is because if you go to their site

1197
00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:13,110
they've got your IP that's legal they're

1198
00:57:17,690 --> 00:57:15,780
able to do that and they were able to do

1199
00:57:19,820 --> 00:57:17,700
a data search on their forum server

1200
00:57:22,590 --> 00:57:19,830
using the IP addresses that Corey Goode

1201
00:57:25,380 --> 00:57:22,600
used most frequently from 2010

1202
00:57:27,420 --> 00:57:25,390
right up to 2014 and actually even

1203
00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:27,430
beyond that now it wasn't until

1204
00:57:32,730 --> 00:57:30,790
September of 2014 that Corey Goode was

1205
00:57:34,260 --> 00:57:32,740
interviewed by a woman named Christine

1206
00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:34,270
Anderson and claimed to have sudden

1207
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:37,390
recent recall of his memories but it's

1208
00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:39,910
it is the fact that for four solid years

1209
00:57:45,260 --> 00:57:43,510
before that he his file contained six

1210
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:45,270
thousand five hundred thirty-nine

1211
00:57:51,780 --> 00:57:49,410
entries or threads basically where he

1212
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:51,790
from my point of view looked like he was

1213
00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:54,160
data mining the project Avalon server

1214
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:55,750
data looking up stuff that was written

1215
00:58:00,810 --> 00:57:57,850
by Michael Salim relora Eisenhower

1216
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:00,820
myself and many other people on these

1217
00:58:08,190 --> 00:58:03,280
things and for four years you going into

1218
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:08,200
this intensely and then suddenly boom

1219
00:58:15,060 --> 00:58:12,010
you remember that you two had such

1220
00:58:18,330 --> 00:58:15,070
experiences now that doesn't even by

1221
00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:18,340
itself prove that he went in and just

1222
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,470
stole everyone else's information but it

1223
00:58:24,990 --> 00:58:22,960
is very suspicious it's very suspicious

1224
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:25,000
so when you have that kind of a

1225
00:58:32,670 --> 00:58:27,130
background and then you go in and claim

1226
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:32,680
ownership over those very phrases that

1227
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:34,930
have been in existence for years before

1228
00:58:40,620 --> 00:58:38,290
I mean how can you not how can you not

1229
00:58:43,950 --> 00:58:40,630
be surprised when people kick back and

1230
00:58:45,420 --> 00:58:43,960
just say are you kidding like what is

1231
00:58:48,660 --> 00:58:45,430
wrong with you that you think you can do

1232
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:48,670
that so there's a lot of problems here

1233
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:52,690
and so for those reasons you know I'm

1234
00:58:58,650 --> 00:58:54,850
I'm gonna call BS on what he has to say

1235
00:59:01,500 --> 00:58:58,660
mmm and and that's it I'm not the only

1236
00:59:05,070 --> 00:59:01,510
one I think there's lots of people there

1237
00:59:08,070 --> 00:59:05,080
is a genuine secret space program but

1238
00:59:09,810 --> 00:59:08,080
it's not there's no evidence that it's

1239
00:59:11,610 --> 00:59:09,820
the twenty and back program it and just

1240
00:59:13,890 --> 00:59:11,620
because other people come out and say

1241
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:13,900
that they did the same thing sorry but

1242
00:59:17,370 --> 00:59:14,290
you know what

1243
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:17,380
no sale it's not a that's not evidence

1244
00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:20,050
when people say oh well so-and-so also

1245
00:59:24,210 --> 00:59:21,910
says the same thing like how is that

1246
00:59:26,460 --> 00:59:24,220
evidence when people are just copying

1247
00:59:29,460 --> 00:59:26,470
and pasting variations of the story if

1248
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:29,470
if someone wanted to go into this field

1249
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:32,050
and lay waste with disinformation how

1250
00:59:36,510 --> 00:59:33,610
long would it take them to study up on

1251
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:36,520
all of the themes that are in this field

1252
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:38,850
come up with their own unprovable

1253
00:59:43,950 --> 00:59:41,200
self-glorifying story well I can ask

1254
00:59:45,930 --> 00:59:43,960
that apparently that's not difficult a

1255
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:45,940
couple of years on a project Avalon and

1256
00:59:50,490 --> 00:59:48,490
you go to school and you get a degree so

1257
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:50,500
there you go let's take a break right

1258
00:59:54,330 --> 00:59:52,450
here Richard and we'll pick up right

1259
00:59:57,210 --> 00:59:54,340
where we left off when we come back and

1260
00:59:59,640 --> 00:59:57,220
I've got I've got something else Richard

1261
01:00:01,050 --> 00:59:59,650
should trademark what that is I'll tell

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01:00:05,130 --> 01:00:01,060
you when we come back Richard stay right

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01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:05,140
there yes Richard Dolan fade to black

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01:04:08,030 --> 01:04:05,480
youth calm that's nature's youth calm

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01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:08,040
hello this is Serena right kayla from

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01:04:12,830 --> 01:04:10,290
conscious life Expo and you're listening

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01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:12,840
to fade to black with Jimmy Church who

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01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:15,090
holds the lucky pony record for the best

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01:04:22,340 --> 01:04:19,850
astrological chart since 1963 true story

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01:04:23,930 --> 01:04:22,350
this is Micah Hank's of a grey lien

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01:04:26,270 --> 01:04:23,940
report and you're listening to jimmy

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01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:26,280
church on fade to black across the globe

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01:04:30,500 --> 01:04:28,050
on the GameChanger radio net

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01:04:31,470 --> 01:04:30,510
and the one and only kgr a radio the

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01:04:35,550 --> 01:04:31,480
planet

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01:04:35,860 --> 01:04:35,560
[Music]

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[Applause]

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01:05:04,040 --> 01:04:54,050
welcome back bait the black I am your

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01:05:07,820 --> 01:05:04,050
host of a church called button our guest

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01:05:09,890 --> 01:05:07,830
tonight Richard Dolan and I had to have

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01:05:12,170 --> 01:05:09,900
my coffee refilled okay so now we're

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01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:12,180
back in the saddle and we're gonna pick

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01:05:16,820 --> 01:05:15,530
up right where we left off and Richard

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01:05:21,020 --> 01:05:16,830
yes

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01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:21,030
breakaway civilization shouldn't you

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01:05:26,810 --> 01:05:24,690
trademark that no I don't think so

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01:05:29,410 --> 01:05:26,820
absolutely I don't think so it was an

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01:05:32,570 --> 01:05:29,420
interesting concept that I kind and

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01:05:34,190 --> 01:05:32,580
developed but here's the thing you know

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01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:34,200
what other people have taken that idea

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01:05:37,730 --> 01:05:35,910
and made some very very interesting

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01:05:40,460 --> 01:05:37,740
conceptual breakthroughs on their own

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01:05:42,140 --> 01:05:40,470
totally independent of me my friend and

1375
01:05:44,030 --> 01:05:42,150
colleague Joseph P Ferrell has done that

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01:05:46,730 --> 01:05:44,040
he's written an entire book with

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01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:46,740
breakaway civilization in the title I my

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01:05:49,610 --> 01:05:49,140
attitude is excellent good good for

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01:05:51,980 --> 01:05:49,620
Joseph

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01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:51,990
okay what about because I don't own the

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01:05:56,420 --> 01:05:54,570
idea I mean I I develop the idea but I

1382
01:05:59,480 --> 01:05:56,430
don't own it like it's it's not my

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01:06:01,970 --> 01:05:59,490
property okay well then other people

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01:06:03,830 --> 01:06:01,980
come along and do better work or more

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01:06:05,950 --> 01:06:03,840
sophisticated work with it then thank

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01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:05,960
goodness like that's what we want okay

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01:06:11,870 --> 01:06:09,960
well at the next contact in the desert

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01:06:15,170 --> 01:06:11,880
I'm going to let you know our booths are

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01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:15,180
next to each other and at our booth I am

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01:06:20,410 --> 01:06:16,530
going to be selling breakaway

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01:06:23,780 --> 01:06:20,420
civilization t-shirts I hope you may

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01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:23,790
[Laughter]

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01:06:34,430 --> 01:06:31,130
let's let's kind of stay on this subject

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01:06:38,060 --> 01:06:34,440
for a second what is I'm going to talk

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01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:38,070
about whistleblowers and when a

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01:06:43,070 --> 01:06:40,650
whistleblower comes forward before I get

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01:06:45,620 --> 01:06:43,080
to the question they need to be feel

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01:06:48,530 --> 01:06:45,630
comfortable that they can and they can

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01:06:50,690 --> 01:06:48,540
speak open and and and go forward with

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01:06:53,210 --> 01:06:50,700
whatever it is that they're gonna blow

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01:06:55,550 --> 01:06:53,220
the whistle on right and I will

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01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:55,560
certainly say that that that cease and

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01:07:02,180 --> 01:06:58,640
desist letter from Corey's attorney

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01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:02,190
certainly is going to stifle of anybody

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01:07:05,550 --> 01:07:04,330
else that would be thinking about coming

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01:07:07,650 --> 01:07:05,560
forward because they're gonna get some

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01:07:09,870 --> 01:07:07,660
kind of crazy cease and desist letter

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01:07:12,180 --> 01:07:09,880
that doesn't have any merit to it but

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01:07:14,700 --> 01:07:12,190
yeah they're afraid of that kind of

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01:07:17,850 --> 01:07:14,710
stuff right it's a form of intimidation

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01:07:19,980 --> 01:07:17,860
it's a form of intimidation there's no

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01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:19,990
legal merit to it as you just said it's

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01:07:25,890 --> 01:07:23,280
it's vacuous from a legal point of view

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01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:25,900
we've had a number of back behind the

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01:07:31,590 --> 01:07:29,200
scenes discussions about this and there

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01:07:33,390 --> 01:07:31,600
was just no way but but it is a form of

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01:07:35,970 --> 01:07:33,400
intimidation and I'm glad you know I

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01:07:37,860 --> 01:07:35,980
don't know Jason rice and nor do I

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01:07:40,290 --> 01:07:37,870
really have an opinion at this point on

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01:07:42,750 --> 01:07:40,300
the validity of his story I don't but I

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01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:42,760
am glad that he wasn't intimidated by it

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01:07:47,970 --> 01:07:45,610
and that he spoke about it the way that

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01:07:49,530 --> 01:07:47,980
he did publicly and and for that matter

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01:07:52,140 --> 01:07:49,540
I would just say I think I think what he

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01:07:52,860 --> 01:07:52,150
wrote was very reasoned and and very

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01:07:56,660 --> 01:07:52,870
well put together

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01:08:00,480 --> 01:07:56,670
the definition of a whistleblower

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01:08:03,060 --> 01:08:00,490
comment from your perspective what what

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01:08:04,650 --> 01:08:03,070
is that definition yeah a whistleblower

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01:08:06,990 --> 01:08:04,660
first of all it's got to be someone you

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01:08:08,730 --> 01:08:07,000
have to know who they are like you've

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01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:08,740
got to be able to have some ability to

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01:08:12,300 --> 01:08:10,330
confirm that they are who they say they

1434
01:08:15,210 --> 01:08:12,310
are if they can't do that then they

1435
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:15,220
don't qualify you know so like as I like

1436
01:08:20,220 --> 01:08:17,770
to say William Binney formerly of the

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01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:20,230
NSA is a whistleblower and in my view a

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01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:23,020
hero double-amputee who's man who

1439
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:25,690
created a lot of the code that the NSA

1440
01:08:30,060 --> 01:08:27,970
used to spy illegally on the American

1441
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:30,070
public and then went public about it and

1442
01:08:35,550 --> 01:08:33,850
much to his own risk you know there's a

1443
01:08:37,620 --> 01:08:35,560
lot of other whistleblowers like that I

1444
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:37,630
would say I would put Gary McKinnon in

1445
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:40,810
the UFO field in such a category we know

1446
01:08:46,290 --> 01:08:43,930
who Gary is he wasn't a government

1447
01:08:48,540 --> 01:08:46,300
insider but he was someone who gained

1448
01:08:50,990 --> 01:08:48,550
access to government information and put

1449
01:08:54,930 --> 01:08:51,000
what information that he could out there

1450
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:54,940
we can confirm his identity we I cannot

1451
01:09:00,270 --> 01:08:57,250
confirm the first thing about Corey

1452
01:09:05,250 --> 01:09:00,280
goods activities in a so-called secret

1453
01:09:11,340 --> 01:09:05,260
space program it's just not there so so

1454
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:11,350
no like he doesn't count and okay what

1455
01:09:16,620 --> 01:09:14,050
about Jason rice is he is by your

1456
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:16,630
definition is he in that category is he

1457
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:17,770
a whistleblower

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01:09:24,930 --> 01:09:22,480
not yet not for me no mr smith no no

1459
01:09:31,490 --> 01:09:24,940
absolutely not okay Steven Greer's

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01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:31,500
bodyguard no but a bumpy ride the Veals

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01:09:37,140 --> 01:09:35,290
procedures Richard Richard's gonna be

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01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:37,150
here all week everybody try the veal

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01:09:46,019 --> 01:09:42,489
heesu they the thing is when it is is

1464
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:46,029
whistleblower for you a little bit too

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01:09:51,660 --> 01:09:50,080
easily used right and and it does the

1466
01:09:55,380 --> 01:09:51,670
classification okay

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01:09:59,070 --> 01:09:55,390
right around the edge just a bit around

1468
01:10:03,240 --> 01:09:59,080
the edges right is it is is it is it a

1469
01:10:05,670 --> 01:10:03,250
term is it a title that should be given

1470
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:05,680
to you right you don't give yourself the

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01:10:11,670 --> 01:10:09,610
title of whistleblower yeah I would

1472
01:10:13,140 --> 01:10:11,680
think that in a good universe that would

1473
01:10:16,770 --> 01:10:13,150
be the case as well now that you

1474
01:10:18,900 --> 01:10:16,780
mentioned that look I mean you know the

1475
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:18,910
phrase whistleblower has been bandied

1476
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:22,719
about with like so that it's almost

1477
01:10:26,820 --> 01:10:24,610
meaningless it's like anyone who's got a

1478
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:26,830
good campfire story to tell is now the

1479
01:10:31,470 --> 01:10:29,530
latest whistleblower I mean you know we

1480
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:31,480
need a little bit more than this right I

1481
01:10:36,990 --> 01:10:34,570
mean do we have no self respect for

1482
01:10:39,540 --> 01:10:37,000
ourselves in this discipline that we

1483
01:10:41,820 --> 01:10:39,550
just take anyone who's got the latest

1484
01:10:44,430 --> 01:10:41,830
greatest crazy story that can never be

1485
01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:44,440
proven that is just utter it like out of

1486
01:10:49,709 --> 01:10:47,710
a Hollywood movie most of these I mean

1487
01:10:54,030 --> 01:10:49,719
it's reality truly that black and white

1488
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:54,040
like the good the good you know versus

1489
01:10:57,959 --> 01:10:56,530
the absolute evil entities over here and

1490
01:11:00,090 --> 01:10:57,969
the white hats and the black hats like

1491
01:11:03,450 --> 01:11:00,100
does anyone honestly think reality is

1492
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:03,460
that utterly simplistic I mean this we

1493
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:06,850
getting a bad Hollywood b-movie reality

1494
01:11:13,770 --> 01:11:10,960
I would it's not that way the world is

1495
01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:13,780
doesn't break down like that so I mean

1496
01:11:18,209 --> 01:11:16,150
is it possible that there could be some

1497
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:18,219
truth in some of the claims of these

1498
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:20,050
people yes the answer is yes in the case

1499
01:11:24,810 --> 01:11:22,330
of Corey Goode he was when you go data

1500
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:24,820
mining through the Avalon site yes

1501
01:11:29,610 --> 01:11:27,010
you're going to find information that's

1502
01:11:31,140 --> 01:11:29,620
genuine of course you will

1503
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:31,150
and could

1504
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:35,050
the truth and you know is it marginally

1505
01:11:39,060 --> 01:11:36,970
possible that some of these

1506
01:11:42,810 --> 01:11:39,070
whistleblowers have been mine jogged

1507
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:42,820
mind screwed in such a way that they've

1508
01:11:48,660 --> 01:11:45,010
been made useless for the rest of the

1509
01:11:50,370 --> 01:11:48,670
world made to look ridiculous so that

1510
01:11:52,050 --> 01:11:50,380
anything that they say is just going to

1511
01:11:54,570 --> 01:11:52,060
be dismissed out of hand

1512
01:11:55,290 --> 01:11:54,580
I mean I've wondered this but of course

1513
01:11:58,890 --> 01:11:55,300
I don't

1514
01:12:00,240 --> 01:11:58,900
machine so I can't go back and find out

1515
01:12:01,830 --> 01:12:00,250
what they were actually doing back in

1516
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:01,840
the day and be I'm not a mind reader

1517
01:12:06,510 --> 01:12:04,000
right so I don't have I don't have these

1518
01:12:08,580 --> 01:12:06,520
capability so all I can do is use the

1519
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:08,590
best tools at my disposal which are

1520
01:12:13,260 --> 01:12:10,960
evidence that I can acquire and as much

1521
01:12:15,090 --> 01:12:13,270
common sense and insight as I'm able to

1522
01:12:16,940 --> 01:12:15,100
bring to bear which admittedly is is

1523
01:12:19,980 --> 01:12:16,950
limited because I'm just a human being

1524
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:19,990
in all we can do is our best but when we

1525
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:23,050
just throw out all ability and all

1526
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:26,320
willingness to hold claims to certain

1527
01:12:30,810 --> 01:12:28,480
types of evidentiary standards and like

1528
01:12:33,930 --> 01:12:30,820
why are we bothering then at all why

1529
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:33,940
bother when I broke into the UFO field

1530
01:12:38,190 --> 01:12:36,250
over 20 years ago I did so because I

1531
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:38,200
believe that there is a case an

1532
01:12:43,530 --> 01:12:41,050
evidentiary case that could be made for

1533
01:12:47,490 --> 01:12:43,540
the reality of this ridiculed and

1534
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:47,500
marginalized phenomenon and I very

1535
01:12:53,070 --> 01:12:50,170
strongly believe that to this day so

1536
01:12:55,980 --> 01:12:53,080
it's all evidence-based like what would

1537
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,990
it be for me to write a bunch of

1538
01:13:00,000 --> 01:12:57,600
histories where there's not a single

1539
01:13:01,860 --> 01:13:00,010
piece of evidence that I can document

1540
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:01,870
and I just tell people trust me this is

1541
01:13:07,170 --> 01:13:04,500
true like that's not that doesn't help

1542
01:13:11,250 --> 01:13:07,180
so the only way that we can help move

1543
01:13:12,990 --> 01:13:11,260
this field forward in in a real way not

1544
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:13,000
in a fantasy way is by being

1545
01:13:17,820 --> 01:13:15,970
evidence-based and that's difficult like

1546
01:13:20,460 --> 01:13:17,830
you know in the the old TV show what was

1547
01:13:22,050 --> 01:13:20,470
at Law & Order where they would they

1548
01:13:23,790 --> 01:13:22,060
would have a case that they knew that

1549
01:13:25,740 --> 01:13:23,800
this soap this guy did the crime and

1550
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:25,750
then the defense attorney would say well

1551
01:13:30,510 --> 01:13:27,760
that's not admissible jack you know and

1552
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:30,520
they would do their best to try to get

1553
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:32,800
admissible evidence that's our world

1554
01:13:39,090 --> 01:13:36,090
like you can't just toss out anything

1555
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:39,100
because you think it sounds right you

1556
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:41,110
know we have rules of evidence we have

1557
01:13:47,790 --> 01:13:45,040
we ought to have standards that we apply

1558
01:13:49,310 --> 01:13:47,800
that we have a common language of how to

1559
01:13:53,130 --> 01:13:49,320
move forward in this field

1560
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:53,140
anyone can make a claim and but not

1561
01:13:58,110 --> 01:13:54,850
everyone can back that claim up with

1562
01:14:01,160 --> 01:13:58,120
evidence and and if you can't then no in

1563
01:14:05,390 --> 01:14:01,170
the case of genuine whistleblowers

1564
01:14:08,460 --> 01:14:05,400
they're able to provide tangible actual

1565
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:08,470
evidence and departments that other

1566
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:10,690
journalists and investigators can then

1567
01:14:16,410 --> 01:14:13,930
dig into and find they can find it

1568
01:14:17,970 --> 01:14:16,420
Richard what a minute then you got to

1569
01:14:20,910 --> 01:14:17,980
wonder what's going on here yeah and

1570
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:20,920
this is okay and this is a very

1571
01:14:28,170 --> 01:14:24,400
fascinating aspect of this which is you

1572
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:28,180
and I you know we're at a conference

1573
01:14:34,410 --> 01:14:30,880
pick one it doesn't matter and and I

1574
01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:34,420
introduced you know Corey there's 500

1575
01:14:40,620 --> 01:14:37,510
600 700 people there for Corey the line

1576
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:40,630
goes down the hall right and then across

1577
01:14:47,580 --> 01:14:44,650
the hall there is somebody else that is

1578
01:14:52,170 --> 01:14:47,590
speaking about their UFO research across

1579
01:14:55,620 --> 01:14:52,180
the hall 220 people right and here you

1580
01:14:58,980 --> 01:14:55,630
are watching me introduce you're there

1581
01:15:02,340 --> 01:14:58,990
right you're and you watch me do this

1582
01:15:06,210 --> 01:15:02,350
introduction you have this this packed

1583
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:06,220
room that is there resonating with Corey

1584
01:15:11,730 --> 01:15:09,730
but yet across the hall there are 20

1585
01:15:14,820 --> 01:15:11,740
people that are listening to somebody

1586
01:15:19,740 --> 01:15:14,830
else's research that is just equally as

1587
01:15:22,290 --> 01:15:19,750
important but why do we have this this

1588
01:15:24,570 --> 01:15:22,300
this difference this this it is as a

1589
01:15:27,150 --> 01:15:24,580
whole Erised i I don't I don't

1590
01:15:29,730 --> 01:15:27,160
understand it it's it's I do its market

1591
01:15:32,370 --> 01:15:29,740
and demand so there are certain markets

1592
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:32,380
that are very very hungry for certain

1593
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:34,810
types of information and there's always

1594
01:15:40,290 --> 01:15:36,610
going to be someone willing to fill that

1595
01:15:43,260 --> 01:15:40,300
market need the there's a great hunger

1596
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:43,270
among many people who are interested in

1597
01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:46,570
the UFO subject for solid answers and

1598
01:15:50,970 --> 01:15:49,510
for fascinating insider claims and like

1599
01:15:52,500 --> 01:15:50,980
yeah because we all know that there's

1600
01:15:55,410 --> 01:15:52,510
secrecy we all know there's a cover-up

1601
01:15:58,830 --> 01:15:55,420
and so there's lots of people out there

1602
01:16:00,030 --> 01:15:58,840
who hunger for that kind of certainty

1603
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:00,040
they want that and then when somebody

1604
01:16:05,490 --> 01:16:02,170
comes along and offering that certainty

1605
01:16:07,379 --> 01:16:05,500
or seemingly offering that certainty yes

1606
01:16:09,450 --> 01:16:07,389
absolutely many people will gravitate to

1607
01:16:12,270 --> 01:16:09,460
it and here's the thing I don't even

1608
01:16:14,189 --> 01:16:12,280
begrudge someone if they wanted if they

1609
01:16:16,890 --> 01:16:14,199
speak to a packed house a thousand

1610
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:16,900
people and more that that is fine like

1611
01:16:22,350 --> 01:16:20,400
I'm a great believer and free enterprise

1612
01:16:23,550 --> 01:16:22,360
capitalistic like make your money the

1613
01:16:25,290 --> 01:16:23,560
way you want to make your money like I

1614
01:16:29,300 --> 01:16:25,300
absolutely am a believer in that I think

1615
01:16:31,859 --> 01:16:29,310
it's made this Western civilization the

1616
01:16:33,839 --> 01:16:31,869
such a powerhouse and a fount of

1617
01:16:35,879 --> 01:16:33,849
creativity and innovation so I think

1618
01:16:37,620 --> 01:16:35,889
it's wonderful and even if someone wants

1619
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:37,630
to make their money in less an ethical

1620
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:39,520
way as well if they're not actually

1621
01:16:45,330 --> 01:16:42,489
actively harming someone else well let

1622
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:45,340
the buyer beware mm-hmm but what I would

1623
01:16:54,589 --> 01:16:49,690
say is that in in an area where I am

1624
01:16:58,580 --> 01:16:54,599
trying and other people are trying to

1625
01:17:01,439 --> 01:16:58,590
help this marginalized important subject

1626
01:17:03,839 --> 01:17:01,449
gain credibility so that we can have an

1627
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:03,849
intelligent public conversation about it

1628
01:17:11,609 --> 01:17:08,080
which we desperately need all right then

1629
01:17:13,950 --> 01:17:11,619
yes I'm I too I'm allowed to state my

1630
01:17:16,859 --> 01:17:13,960
issues and my problems with that type of

1631
01:17:19,950 --> 01:17:16,869
presentation and that's really all that

1632
01:17:21,390 --> 01:17:19,960
it is if these types of arguments were

1633
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:21,400
simply on the margin and no one was

1634
01:17:24,270 --> 01:17:22,810
listening well I wouldn't care either it

1635
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:24,280
was like no there's always cranks out

1636
01:17:29,100 --> 01:17:27,130
there but this has become actually a

1637
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:29,110
very very significant part of the UFO

1638
01:17:32,970 --> 01:17:31,360
field and I just want to say this to you

1639
01:17:35,790 --> 01:17:32,980
like you've often talked about you know

1640
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:35,800
the need for unity in the UFO community

1641
01:17:40,970 --> 01:17:38,650
and I understand that but can you or

1642
01:17:43,919 --> 01:17:40,980
anyone think of anything more disruptive

1643
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:43,929
to the UFO community then the intrusion

1644
01:17:47,250 --> 01:17:45,730
of Corey Goode and his claims over the

1645
01:17:49,709 --> 01:17:47,260
past four years

1646
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:49,719
look I can't I cannot think of a single

1647
01:17:54,300 --> 01:17:51,730
thing that has actually been more

1648
01:17:57,450 --> 01:17:54,310
divisive more disruptive more

1649
01:18:01,530 --> 01:17:57,460
distracting than that

1650
01:18:04,979 --> 01:18:01,540
so so there's a problem here there's a

1651
01:18:10,109 --> 01:18:04,989
problem in that it's it is successfully

1652
01:18:12,030 --> 01:18:10,119
caused such a chasm and and you know

1653
01:18:12,510 --> 01:18:12,040
there are other wastes of time that

1654
01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:12,520
we've had

1655
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:14,110
in this field you know ramp up to the

1656
01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:17,530
ascension of 2012 was just one big huge

1657
01:18:21,570 --> 01:18:20,080
embarrassment for this field I mean

1658
01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:21,580
there were people I actually met someone

1659
01:18:26,250 --> 01:18:24,310
at that time in the ramp up to 2012 who

1660
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:26,260
stopped paying her either a rent or

1661
01:18:29,370 --> 01:18:27,610
mortgage or something like that because

1662
01:18:30,750 --> 01:18:29,380
she said well when it all happens it

1663
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:30,760
won't matter I'm like you're crazy

1664
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:33,040
you're deluded I don't know what

1665
01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:33,730
happened to her

1666
01:18:38,430 --> 01:18:36,310
probably out on the streets and then you

1667
01:18:40,650 --> 01:18:38,440
know the whole comet Elenin of 2011 what

1668
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:40,660
a waste of time that was that was

1669
01:18:47,370 --> 01:18:44,170
supposed to be a spaceship no and on and

1670
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:47,380
on so our field has always been filled

1671
01:18:52,380 --> 01:18:49,690
with these types of distractions and

1672
01:18:54,090 --> 01:18:52,390
that's unfortunate and maybe that's just

1673
01:18:55,230 --> 01:18:54,100
how it's always going to be but that

1674
01:18:56,580 --> 01:18:55,240
doesn't mean that we have to just sit

1675
01:19:00,930 --> 01:18:56,590
down and say oh well here's another one

1676
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:00,940
so we can speak up we can just say not

1677
01:19:07,740 --> 01:19:02,890
this time this is going on too long

1678
01:19:10,260 --> 01:19:07,750
enough it will it okay so let me let's

1679
01:19:13,950 --> 01:19:10,270
discuss let's cite a very specific a

1680
01:19:16,820 --> 01:19:13,960
specific example of this where I think

1681
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:16,830
that the community has just moved on

1682
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:21,610
billy meier we have a situation here

1683
01:19:28,980 --> 01:19:24,970
where a gazillion books have been sold a

1684
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:28,990
gazillion videos I would say that

1685
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:31,690
largely and I'm just speaking about the

1686
01:19:37,980 --> 01:19:34,570
community a large amount of of it has

1687
01:19:40,860 --> 01:19:37,990
been completely debunked yet he lives in

1688
01:19:44,150 --> 01:19:40,870
a pretty nice house in Switzerland he's

1689
01:19:47,310 --> 01:19:44,160
probably got a pretty good money flow

1690
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:47,320
multiple areas that are coming in but

1691
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:52,330
the community has has moved on and then

1692
01:19:57,540 --> 01:19:55,090
the subject it's just it's just like a

1693
01:20:01,410 --> 01:19:57,550
big whatever thing when it when it comes

1694
01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:01,420
to billy meier is that is that the same

1695
01:20:04,770 --> 01:20:03,280
thing that would happen over and over

1696
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:04,780
again look at you know we can bring up

1697
01:20:10,350 --> 01:20:07,210
William Moore or or other things that

1698
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:10,360
have very dark things in our past you

1699
01:20:19,740 --> 01:20:16,000
know about the the Roswell slides and in

1700
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:19,750
that fiasco and in Mexico City is this

1701
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:22,930
community able to just rebound and move

1702
01:20:27,870 --> 01:20:24,850
on and and neck

1703
01:20:30,570 --> 01:20:27,880
steer all of this is past tense yes no

1704
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:30,580
we can always move on the the fortunate

1705
01:20:35,610 --> 01:20:33,970
thing is that the UFO subject remains

1706
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:35,620
the great constant in this and it's the

1707
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:38,170
thing that we can all come back to the

1708
01:20:42,810 --> 01:20:39,730
things that you mentioned want one of

1709
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:42,820
which I was associated with all Roswell

1710
01:20:48,540 --> 01:20:46,930
slide debacle you know they're all

1711
01:20:49,530 --> 01:20:48,550
different like the billy meier things a

1712
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:49,540
little different and some of these

1713
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:51,250
others and the william moore thing are a

1714
01:20:57,020 --> 01:20:53,890
little different but they're all they

1715
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:57,030
were various crises some big some little

1716
01:21:04,020 --> 01:21:00,880
that the UFO research community faced

1717
01:21:05,580 --> 01:21:04,030
and actually it's really true that in

1718
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:05,590
every one of those cases there were the

1719
01:21:10,530 --> 01:21:07,600
apocalypse people who said this is the

1720
01:21:12,330 --> 01:21:10,540
end of ufology and you know they're

1721
01:21:14,730 --> 01:21:12,340
saying it now - i think some of them

1722
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:14,740
with corey good and of course it's not

1723
01:21:19,410 --> 01:21:16,570
the end of ufology as long as there's a

1724
01:21:24,090 --> 01:21:19,420
phenomenon for us to study and to keep

1725
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:24,100
coming back to then then we'll be fine

1726
01:21:27,690 --> 01:21:26,410
you know the thing is it's like like in

1727
01:21:29,850 --> 01:21:27,700
a boxing match where you get knocked

1728
01:21:32,460 --> 01:21:29,860
down on the canvas a few times you you

1729
01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:32,470
got to keep getting back up and come

1730
01:21:37,140 --> 01:21:34,450
back at it again that's what this is all

1731
01:21:38,910 --> 01:21:37,150
about so I don't think this is a

1732
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:38,920
disaster I don't think it's something

1733
01:21:46,590 --> 01:21:42,610
that we as a community can't recover

1734
01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:46,600
from no absolutely not in fact most

1735
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:49,510
people all serious researchers are

1736
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:50,890
continuing and they're doing their work

1737
01:21:55,500 --> 01:21:53,290
just like they've always done so that's

1738
01:21:57,740 --> 01:21:55,510
never changed there's lots of people out

1739
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:57,750
there doing very very excellent

1740
01:22:02,580 --> 01:21:59,920
investigative work research and so on

1741
01:22:04,820 --> 01:22:02,590
and continuing to make progress in this

1742
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:04,830
field so that's the good thing and

1743
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:07,360
that's where we're I think you know

1744
01:22:12,990 --> 01:22:10,290
we're all best served but the

1745
01:22:15,300 --> 01:22:13,000
emotionally unsatisfying aspect of that

1746
01:22:17,130 --> 01:22:15,310
at least for some people is that those

1747
01:22:19,500 --> 01:22:17,140
answers are not always quite as

1748
01:22:23,370 --> 01:22:19,510
definitive as the answers that are

1749
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:23,380
provided by people who claim that

1750
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:26,650
they've had these incredible you know

1751
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:29,130
Hollywood adventures on other planets

1752
01:22:35,820 --> 01:22:33,520
the the question of proof which you

1753
01:22:37,650 --> 01:22:35,830
brought up earlier is something that we

1754
01:22:39,810 --> 01:22:37,660
are always looking for

1755
01:22:43,170 --> 01:22:39,820
what is it you know what it where's the

1756
01:22:47,310 --> 01:22:43,180
proof or even evidence I mean it's hard

1757
01:22:49,620 --> 01:22:47,320
yeah man proof from people coming up

1758
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:49,630
coming to me with that with claims I

1759
01:22:54,510 --> 01:22:51,970
mean sometimes that's not realistic but

1760
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:54,520
at least evidence okay so with that you

1761
01:22:58,320 --> 01:22:56,050
got to work with me yeah let's break it

1762
01:23:00,660 --> 01:22:58,330
down a little bit I want to pick your

1763
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:00,670
brain when when you're dealing with an

1764
01:23:07,410 --> 01:23:05,290
experiencer what what are you looking

1765
01:23:12,090 --> 01:23:07,420
for there as far as evidence and proof

1766
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:12,100
when it's just an experience to be

1767
01:23:17,490 --> 01:23:14,650
honest with you if if an experiencer

1768
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:17,500
comes up to me my I just met with

1769
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:19,840
someone I just met with an experience

1770
01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:23,530
there locally uh yesterday met this man

1771
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:26,560
for the first time and I was introduced

1772
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:29,290
to him we had a nice conversation and as

1773
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:31,450
I do with lots of folks I listen as

1774
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:33,610
carefully as I'm able to which is I

1775
01:23:39,420 --> 01:23:36,610
listen to this man very carefully you

1776
01:23:41,670 --> 01:23:39,430
size people up you get character

1777
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:41,680
references which I had I have one for

1778
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:45,010
this gentleman in particular you learn

1779
01:23:50,340 --> 01:23:47,050
everything you can about their life you

1780
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:50,350
and you do your best to assess it and

1781
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:52,330
that's it you know with most of these

1782
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:53,440
people who will come to me with

1783
01:23:58,890 --> 01:23:56,320
experiences I I don't know that I can

1784
01:24:01,680 --> 01:23:58,900
say for sure that someone's telling me

1785
01:24:04,410 --> 01:24:01,690
the truth or someone's lying to me you

1786
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:04,420
know it's a matter of degree I can't

1787
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:06,730
prove that some that this man that I met

1788
01:24:12,140 --> 01:24:09,040
yesterday for instance is absolutely

1789
01:24:16,500 --> 01:24:12,150
honest maybe maybe he's a brilliant

1790
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:16,510
psychopathic liar I don't think so but I

1791
01:24:21,570 --> 01:24:18,130
suppose any of these things are possible

1792
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:21,580
so when I make a conclusion about

1793
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:23,440
someone's claims they're usually

1794
01:24:28,620 --> 01:24:26,530
provisional and always subject to

1795
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:28,630
revision based on new information that

1796
01:24:32,820 --> 01:24:29,410
comes my way

1797
01:24:34,380 --> 01:24:32,830
and that's the best I can do the we're

1798
01:24:37,010 --> 01:24:34,390
gonna head towards a break here but

1799
01:24:41,070 --> 01:24:37,020
there's there's another part of the

1800
01:24:43,470 --> 01:24:41,080
experience or abductee phenomenon that

1801
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:43,480
has completely intrigued me and it's

1802
01:24:48,300 --> 01:24:45,850
weird how kind of overlaps into other

1803
01:24:50,319 --> 01:24:48,310
aspects of the secret space program and

1804
01:24:53,950 --> 01:24:50,329
si pees and whatnot

1805
01:24:58,030 --> 01:24:53,960
which is these abductees that talk about

1806
01:25:00,100 --> 01:24:58,040
going to an underground facility there

1807
01:25:01,390 --> 01:25:00,110
are many out there that share these sin

1808
01:25:04,959 --> 01:25:01,400
that we're they show up there

1809
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:04,969
underground and they see us military

1810
01:25:09,129 --> 01:25:07,130
personnel in uniform they'll see a

1811
01:25:10,959 --> 01:25:09,139
mantis being they'll see a tall Nordic

1812
01:25:13,359 --> 01:25:10,969
they'll see some greys at you know

1813
01:25:15,819 --> 01:25:13,369
operating some gear and maybe

1814
01:25:18,850 --> 01:25:15,829
instructions in classrooms and very

1815
01:25:21,609 --> 01:25:18,860
elaborate you know stories now what do

1816
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:21,619
we do with that when it is repeated over

1817
01:25:28,149 --> 01:25:26,210
and over again yes I mean I I'm of the

1818
01:25:32,379 --> 01:25:28,159
opinion that when you get that type of

1819
01:25:34,810 --> 01:25:32,389
story from so many parts of the the data

1820
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:34,820
spectrum that they'll come in and have

1821
01:25:45,490 --> 01:25:38,570
this story whether it's in 1969 or 1975

1822
01:25:47,740 --> 01:25:45,500
or 1972 or 1988 or 1989 or 2017 right

1823
01:25:52,689 --> 01:25:47,750
when they when they continually come and

1824
01:25:56,129 --> 01:25:52,699
and if we can be careful with at least

1825
01:25:58,479 --> 01:25:56,139
doing our level best with trying to

1826
01:26:02,200 --> 01:25:58,489
legitimately get that information out of

1827
01:26:04,899 --> 01:26:02,210
an individual then yes I think and there

1828
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:04,909
is a very consistent story that a lot of

1829
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:06,650
these folks are saying whether it's

1830
01:26:12,729 --> 01:26:09,440
about military abductions or abductions

1831
01:26:15,609 --> 01:26:12,739
by nonhumans whether aliens or alien

1832
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:15,619
human hybrids and alike so there's a lot

1833
01:26:21,819 --> 01:26:18,320
of consistency so for these types of

1834
01:26:23,979 --> 01:26:21,829
stories yes I give a very high level of

1835
01:26:25,810 --> 01:26:23,989
credibility to them credence doesn't

1836
01:26:28,660 --> 01:26:25,820
mean that I know for an absolute fact I

1837
01:26:31,689 --> 01:26:28,670
don't say a 100 percent but I definitely

1838
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:31,699
give them my probability but when a

1839
01:26:39,459 --> 01:26:35,530
alleged whistleblower comes at us and

1840
01:26:43,620 --> 01:26:39,469
provides a Hollywood script essentially

1841
01:26:46,660 --> 01:26:43,630
so really what these are you know

1842
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:46,670
garnished with New Age philosophy and

1843
01:26:52,839 --> 01:26:49,730
ideology that is clearly designed for a

1844
01:26:54,700 --> 01:26:52,849
particular kind of market then no I mean

1845
01:26:58,540 --> 01:26:54,710
I will be very suspicious of that yes

1846
01:27:01,940 --> 01:26:58,550
and why is it and where we need to take

1847
01:27:05,330 --> 01:27:01,950
a break here but the the New Age aspect

1848
01:27:09,230 --> 01:27:05,340
of this and especially as of late has

1849
01:27:11,300 --> 01:27:09,240
been inter woven into what should be not

1850
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:11,310
only a terrifying experience but also

1851
01:27:17,660 --> 01:27:15,090
the killing of or the the enslavement of

1852
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:17,670
and so forth and then you have this this

1853
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:22,170
new-age dialogue that is interwoven into

1854
01:27:28,370 --> 01:27:26,400
it yeah why why is that is it is it to

1855
01:27:31,190 --> 01:27:28,380
grow the audience I mean the way that

1856
01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:31,200
well we should continue this for the

1857
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:32,490
next segment because it's a very

1858
01:27:36,770 --> 01:27:34,890
important subject the New Age influence

1859
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:36,780
in ufology has had a very damaging

1860
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:39,120
effect it's it's not that it's

1861
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:41,760
there's no legitimacy to understanding

1862
01:27:46,670 --> 01:27:43,440
things like telepathy and consciousness

1863
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:46,680
in the UFO field or even things like

1864
01:27:51,500 --> 01:27:50,010
space-time reality in quantum physics no

1865
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:51,510
we can explore all of that because

1866
01:27:57,170 --> 01:27:54,330
they're important but the philosophy the

1867
01:28:00,230 --> 01:27:57,180
ideology which we collectively call New

1868
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:00,240
Age ideology this has been a very

1869
01:28:06,500 --> 01:28:03,450
damaging effect to UFO research and the

1870
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UFO community and and it's really part

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of the reason why we have these

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whistleblowers because in other words

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with the New Age ideology again there's

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no emphasis on evidence it's all a lot

1875
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of it comes out of what you feel in your

1876
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heart chakra you know or and I don't

1877
01:28:24,170 --> 01:28:21,560
mean the laugh at someone's belief but

1878
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when you're basing your belief on

1879
01:28:29,630 --> 01:28:26,940
feeling and intuition rather than

1880
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:29,640
evidence then you're going down a very

1881
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:32,400
dangerous road where anything is

1882
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:34,170
possible and you don't need to back it

1883
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:36,480
up and then you get these whistleblowers

1884
01:28:41,930 --> 01:28:38,850
who follow through that you know there's

1885
01:28:44,330 --> 01:28:41,940
no evidence but it feels right and that

1886
01:28:46,820 --> 01:28:44,340
is the worst way to go into this subject

1887
01:28:48,380 --> 01:28:46,830
it is based on your feelings you got to

1888
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:48,390
go on evidence you got it you got to be

1889
01:28:52,820 --> 01:28:51,210
an investigator let's let's pick this up

1890
01:28:56,450 --> 01:28:52,830
we're leaving off our guest tonight

1891
01:28:58,160 --> 01:28:56,460
Richard bleeping Dolan I'm allegedly

1892
01:28:59,180 --> 01:28:58,170
trademarked I'll be right back after

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01:29:01,070 --> 01:28:59,190
this short break

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this is fade to black I'm Yours immature

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stay with us

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this is fade to black

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with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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planet and you're listening to my good

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on the GameChanger network and the kgr a

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Kebbell you're listening to Jimmy Church

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two seventy two twenty one this is Jimmy

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Church of fade to black and you can

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become an official fade or not by just

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Church radio.com hey it's grace can we

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talk about something serious for a

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younger you know your hair was thicker

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extra weight wasn't haunting you and you

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the clocks and go back 10 or 15 years

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you did to look so good your secret will

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youth

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Serena right kayla from conscious life

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01:33:07,129 --> 01:33:04,800
Expo and you're listening to fade to

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01:33:08,899 --> 01:33:07,139
black with Jimmy Church who holds the

1974
01:33:13,660 --> 01:33:08,909
lucky pony record for the best

1975
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:13,670
astrological chart since 1963 true story

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01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:16,170
this is Micah Hank's of the gray lien

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01:33:20,089 --> 01:33:17,760
report and you're listening to Jimmy

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01:33:22,189 --> 01:33:20,099
church on fade to black across the globe

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01:33:25,390 --> 01:33:22,199
on the GameChanger radio network and the

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one and only kgr a radio the planet

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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01:33:50,990 --> 01:33:47,640
welcome back fade to black hi I'm your

1985
01:33:52,850 --> 01:33:51,000
host Jimmy Church sorry about repeating

1986
01:33:55,220 --> 01:33:52,860
that commercial break but you know

1987
01:33:57,380 --> 01:33:55,230
things like that happened it's live

1988
01:34:00,650 --> 01:33:57,390
radio our guest tonight Richard bleep

1989
01:34:02,450 --> 01:34:00,660
and Dolan very open and frank

1990
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:02,460
conversation about what's going on right

1991
01:34:06,670 --> 01:34:04,890
now in our UFO community and Richard

1992
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:06,680
check this out

1993
01:34:11,740 --> 01:34:10,170
speaking of New Age I'm at a I'm at a

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01:34:14,420 --> 01:34:11,750
private party

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01:34:19,250 --> 01:34:14,430
you know a nice big home up in the hills

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01:34:21,050 --> 01:34:19,260
right new agey group there and I'm in

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01:34:23,690 --> 01:34:21,060
the kitchen around the island and

1998
01:34:27,590 --> 01:34:23,700
there's I'm gonna say there's 25 people

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01:34:29,570 --> 01:34:27,600
packed into this kitchen and somebody

2000
01:34:32,210 --> 01:34:29,580
turns to me I don't know anybody there

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01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:32,220
by the way somebody turns to B it says

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01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:34,560
so what do you do so now I'm a radio

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01:34:41,810 --> 01:34:38,850
host oh really where and I said well

2004
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:41,820
fade to black and I also do the weekend

2005
01:34:45,700 --> 01:34:44,370
stuff over at a coast-to-coast am and I

2006
01:34:50,780 --> 01:34:45,710
kept this blank look

2007
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:50,790
and what does coast-to-coast am and and

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01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:54,210
I and I exactly right right so I turn to

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01:35:00,680 --> 01:34:56,370
everybody in the kitchen Reid as my

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01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:00,690
witness it just goes so who here listens

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01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:05,010
to coast to coast nobody right in the

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01:35:11,870 --> 01:35:09,810
room and now in a weird way it's very

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01:35:13,670 --> 01:35:11,880
cool I don't have to explain myself I

2014
01:35:15,650 --> 01:35:13,680
don't have to talk about fade to black I

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01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:15,660
don't have to talk about any I don't

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have to take any questions right I have

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to field anything but it was pretty

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01:35:30,590 --> 01:35:25,170
surprising to me to have a roomful of

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01:35:35,350 --> 01:35:30,600
New Age crystal bearing Awakening

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01:35:39,050 --> 01:35:35,360
enlightened vegans the real deal to

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01:35:41,390 --> 01:35:39,060
nobody listen to coast to coast now

2022
01:35:44,630 --> 01:35:41,400
isn't that interesting and I've gone to

2023
01:35:47,870 --> 01:35:44,640
conferences where I've got to you know

2024
01:35:52,730 --> 01:35:47,880
these new-age events where there is an

2025
01:35:56,330 --> 01:35:52,740
UFO subject anywhere and and now it

2026
01:35:58,130 --> 01:35:56,340
seems like it's it's trying to bleed

2027
01:36:01,220 --> 01:35:58,140
into each other

2028
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:01,230
and I find it a fascinating thing oh by

2029
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:04,530
the way Canada ran out of weed I just

2030
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:06,210
wanted to let you know you know I know

2031
01:36:09,950 --> 01:36:07,890
you're close to the border and they just

2032
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:09,960
legalized and I know you're you know

2033
01:36:12,740 --> 01:36:10,890
your days

2034
01:36:21,500 --> 01:36:12,750
you're a dual citizen yeah they ran out

2035
01:36:24,140 --> 01:36:21,510
of weed that Canada JC's mother like the

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01:36:31,340 --> 01:36:24,150
sweetest Canadian lady you'll ever meet

2037
01:36:34,250 --> 01:36:31,350
she was upset about it okay she's not a

2038
01:36:37,310 --> 01:36:34,260
no I want a clear Tracy's mother's name

2039
01:36:39,380 --> 01:36:37,320
her mother does not to my knowledge

2040
01:36:42,500 --> 01:36:39,390
smoke weed not that there's anything

2041
01:36:43,010 --> 01:36:42,510
wrong with that there's anything wrong

2042
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:43,020
with it

2043
01:36:46,340 --> 01:36:44,970
it's one of the most liberating feelings

2044
01:36:48,770 --> 01:36:46,350
in the world have you been to a pot

2045
01:36:51,020 --> 01:36:48,780
store I know your name York it's not

2046
01:36:53,780 --> 01:36:51,030
legal there right no no not even

2047
01:36:56,300 --> 01:36:53,790
medically oh man when you and Tracy next

2048
01:36:58,580 --> 01:36:56,310
time you're in California I am going to

2049
01:37:01,760 --> 01:36:58,590
take you to a pot store just because

2050
01:37:04,190 --> 01:37:01,770
right yeah yeah just because it is the

2051
01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:04,200
craziest feeling when you walk into a

2052
01:37:07,730 --> 01:37:06,000
pot store here in California were in a

2053
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:07,740
live stream that when I go in yeah it's

2054
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:11,370
yeah you can't and just look around and

2055
01:37:15,860 --> 01:37:13,770
look at these hundreds of jars of weed

2056
01:37:18,710 --> 01:37:15,870
and the smell and the edibles and the

2057
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:18,720
things in the and and as they fill up

2058
01:37:25,970 --> 01:37:22,650
your bag right and go would you like a

2059
01:37:30,890 --> 01:37:25,980
couple free joints sure yeah throw them

2060
01:37:32,780 --> 01:37:30,900
in the bag let me do it so yes of course

2061
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:32,790
I've smoked pot in my life numbers of

2062
01:37:38,090 --> 01:37:35,250
times and I I think fine you want to

2063
01:37:39,260 --> 01:37:38,100
smoke pot do it but I will say and I

2064
01:37:41,090 --> 01:37:39,270
think it's really important to say this

2065
01:37:43,940 --> 01:37:41,100
that when people really liked turn drugs

2066
01:37:46,010 --> 01:37:43,950
into this wonderful thing you're kind of

2067
01:37:49,340 --> 01:37:46,020
doing the CIA's work for you like that's

2068
01:37:52,430 --> 01:37:49,350
really the truth so the CIA pioneered

2069
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:52,440
the use of hallucinogens you know we all

2070
01:37:58,370 --> 01:37:56,210
know about the CIA and LSD and how this

2071
01:38:01,250 --> 01:37:58,380
MKULTRA and the CIA's various

2072
01:38:03,260 --> 01:38:01,260
mind-control programs were deeply

2073
01:38:05,420 --> 01:38:03,270
involved in the use of of things like

2074
01:38:08,150 --> 01:38:05,430
LSD and other types of drugs not

2075
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:08,160
necessarily weed per se but the idea

2076
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:09,810
there's a very excellent book by a

2077
01:38:14,100 --> 01:38:12,010
fellow named John potage called drugs as

2078
01:38:18,540 --> 01:38:14,110
weapons against us and I highly highly

2079
01:38:21,209 --> 01:38:18,550
recommend this book and just like the

2080
01:38:23,729 --> 01:38:21,219
late Dave McGowan talked about Laurel

2081
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:23,739
Canyon as a kind of operation to create

2082
01:38:28,169 --> 01:38:26,050
the hippy movement of the 60s to derail

2083
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:28,179
the active peace movement so - I think

2084
01:38:31,770 --> 01:38:30,400
that there's a case to be made and I

2085
01:38:35,339 --> 01:38:31,780
think people really need to understand

2086
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:35,349
that the proliferation of recreational

2087
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:38,320
drugs is something that is used against

2088
01:38:42,930 --> 01:38:41,440
us because yeah it's fun it's nice you

2089
01:38:44,700 --> 01:38:42,940
can have it's like you know having a

2090
01:38:47,009 --> 01:38:44,710
drink or you want to get a little get a

2091
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:47,019
little high fine but it takes you off

2092
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:50,170
your game and the more people do it the

2093
01:38:53,459 --> 01:38:52,090
more off their game they are and the

2094
01:38:56,250 --> 01:38:53,469
next thing you know your life has gone

2095
01:38:59,370 --> 01:38:56,260
by so I I'm just gonna say that there

2096
01:39:02,370 --> 01:38:59,380
you go reminds me over no right reminds

2097
01:39:03,870 --> 01:39:02,380
me of an episode I think it was Saturday

2098
01:39:05,790 --> 01:39:03,880
Night Live I could be wrong it might

2099
01:39:07,379 --> 01:39:05,800
have been a movie but it's just like

2100
01:39:09,330 --> 01:39:07,389
okay go ahead smoke the weed

2101
01:39:11,399 --> 01:39:09,340
go ahead get all complacent the next

2102
01:39:13,500 --> 01:39:11,409
thing you know China is invading the

2103
01:39:14,609 --> 01:39:13,510
United States you know they're gonna

2104
01:39:17,370 --> 01:39:14,619
catch us off guard

2105
01:39:21,149 --> 01:39:17,380
I want to say one other thing by the way

2106
01:39:23,899 --> 01:39:21,159
the over a decade ago Adam I was on the

2107
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:23,909
phone with Catherine Austin Fitz and

2108
01:39:28,589 --> 01:39:27,010
we're talking about finance and money

2109
01:39:31,290 --> 01:39:28,599
and she's taught me so much about that

2110
01:39:34,290 --> 01:39:31,300
and I still can't keep up with her but I

2111
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:34,300
was on one of my my [\h__\h] fests that I

2112
01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:36,610
often will do my rants and I was talking

2113
01:39:40,979 --> 01:39:39,280
about drugs and I was just saying dammit

2114
01:39:42,330 --> 01:39:40,989
they should just legalize all drugs I'm

2115
01:39:44,069 --> 01:39:42,340
just sick of this criminalization of

2116
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:44,079
drugs and she said well let's find

2117
01:39:47,100 --> 01:39:45,280
Richard but he realized that would cause

2118
01:39:48,779 --> 01:39:47,110
a banking failure like the next day and

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01:39:51,330 --> 01:39:48,789
I said okay stop right there let's talk

2120
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:51,340
about this and and her point was very

2121
01:39:55,319 --> 01:39:54,010
logical she said well let's just say

2122
01:39:56,609 --> 01:39:55,329
you're a Mexican drug lord and you're

2123
01:39:58,140 --> 01:39:56,619
trying to run a hundred million dollars

2124
01:40:00,180 --> 01:39:58,150
through the Chase Bank of New York which

2125
01:40:04,259 --> 01:40:00,190
actually did happen back in I think oh

2126
01:40:06,750 --> 01:40:04,269
102 was Raul Salinas the brother of the

2127
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:06,760
former President of Mexico and was

2128
01:40:11,399 --> 01:40:09,280
Daniel Salinas anyway his 114 million

2129
01:40:12,839 --> 01:40:11,409
dollars of his was stopped going from

2130
01:40:16,229 --> 01:40:12,849
Mexico through the Chase Bank of New

2131
01:40:17,729 --> 01:40:16,239
York and she was obviously embarrassed

2132
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:17,739
and they had their talking head out

2133
01:40:21,540 --> 01:40:19,690
there saying well this is a highly

2134
01:40:22,770 --> 01:40:21,550
irregular transfer fortunately we have

2135
01:40:24,660 --> 01:40:22,780
procedures in place to catch these

2136
01:40:25,740 --> 01:40:24,670
things of course I'm thinking Raul

2137
01:40:28,110 --> 01:40:25,750
Salinas was not

2138
01:40:29,610 --> 01:40:28,120
idiot obviously he had good reason to

2139
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:29,620
think his money would be able to go

2140
01:40:33,420 --> 01:40:31,570
through and to be laundered properly and

2141
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:33,430
this time he got caught probably someone

2142
01:40:38,820 --> 01:40:34,930
ratted it out and they're probably dead

2143
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:38,830
but the point is Katherine said drugs

2144
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:42,850
are so unbelievably profitable everyone

2145
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:44,560
wants that money

2146
01:40:48,990 --> 01:40:47,170
everyone wants drug money from a street

2147
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:49,000
corner pusher to a cop on the take to a

2148
01:40:56,970 --> 01:40:52,480
judge to entire agencies to intelligence

2149
01:40:59,130 --> 01:40:56,980
agencies like the CIA or or the GRU or

2150
01:41:01,530 --> 01:40:59,140
the Pakistanis or the Israelis or

2151
01:41:05,550 --> 01:41:01,540
whatever they all want it because it's

2152
01:41:09,810 --> 01:41:05,560
too much and if suddenly you legalized

2153
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:09,820
it all of that money that washes through

2154
01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:14,170
unofficially our global system suddenly

2155
01:41:19,590 --> 01:41:16,480
it just goes away it becomes aboveboard

2156
01:41:21,690 --> 01:41:19,600
and those people who've benefited from

2157
01:41:23,820 --> 01:41:21,700
getting their 5% wetting their beak on

2158
01:41:27,090 --> 01:41:23,830
this transaction so on that all stops

2159
01:41:29,070 --> 01:41:27,100
and she argued that a great deal I don't

2160
01:41:31,710 --> 01:41:29,080
know how much but a lot of the banking

2161
01:41:36,480 --> 01:41:31,720
system relies necessarily on illegal

2162
01:41:38,250 --> 01:41:36,490
drug transactions so you know we want

2163
01:41:42,300 --> 01:41:38,260
our drugs people want our drugs they

2164
01:41:45,300 --> 01:41:42,310
want to be able to zone out but all of

2165
01:41:50,100 --> 01:41:45,310
this is is interconnected with a very

2166
01:41:51,780 --> 01:41:50,110
very deeply criminal and and awful

2167
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:51,790
enterprise that's that's making the

2168
01:41:58,800 --> 01:41:54,010
world worse not better I wanted to ask

2169
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:58,810
you can you imagine and we were just

2170
01:42:03,780 --> 01:42:00,880
talking about the New Age stuff if you

2171
01:42:07,190 --> 01:42:03,790
went to a New Age conference you and I

2172
01:42:11,340 --> 01:42:07,200
and we are walking through the crowd and

2173
01:42:17,070 --> 01:42:11,350
not one person recognizes you that's

2174
01:42:20,340 --> 01:42:17,080
happens many times you know you know

2175
01:42:24,530 --> 01:42:20,350
it's a it's a pretty fascinating concept

2176
01:42:27,870 --> 01:42:24,540
because you would think that the two are

2177
01:42:29,550 --> 01:42:27,880
completely familiar with each other but

2178
01:42:31,140 --> 01:42:29,560
you could probably walk through one of

2179
01:42:35,370 --> 01:42:31,150
those conferences and nobody would know

2180
01:42:36,630 --> 01:42:35,380
what Roswell was right well I mean do to

2181
01:42:39,030 --> 01:42:36,640
an extent yeah I mean there's some

2182
01:42:39,570 --> 01:42:39,040
overlap obviously but know the New Age

2183
01:42:44,150 --> 01:42:39,580
community

2184
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:44,160
is much much larger much more money than

2185
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:46,960
than the UFO culture I would say right

2186
01:42:50,700 --> 01:42:48,970
Lamarr there's a lot of money there a

2187
01:42:52,980 --> 01:42:50,710
lot of money there's a lot of money in

2188
01:42:54,270 --> 01:42:52,990
the Christian community as as I've

2189
01:42:55,950 --> 01:42:54,280
learned I've had some interactions with

2190
01:42:59,040 --> 01:42:55,960
them and they can put some money out

2191
01:43:01,140 --> 01:42:59,050
there and the New Age community may

2192
01:43:02,820 --> 01:43:01,150
probably equally those are very

2193
01:43:05,250 --> 01:43:02,830
lucrative markets so it's not surprising

2194
01:43:09,900 --> 01:43:05,260
that you find people work in those

2195
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:09,910
markets I wanted to ask you about Bob

2196
01:43:15,330 --> 01:43:14,530
Lazar and why I mean I happy to but what

2197
01:43:19,470 --> 01:43:15,340
what brought this on

2198
01:43:22,170 --> 01:43:19,480
because just like you know Corey's got a

2199
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:22,180
new movie coming out okay it's a it's

2200
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:24,970
distributed by the orchard you know /

2201
01:43:33,390 --> 01:43:29,050
Sony Steven Greer just had his movie out

2202
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:33,400
a couple of was last year unacknowledged

2203
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:39,280
again same distribution network jeremy

2204
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:43,210
Korbel just released skinwalker another

2205
01:43:47,820 --> 01:43:45,280
mainstream film and his next I rather

2206
01:43:50,430 --> 01:43:47,830
liked his next film I haven't seen it

2207
01:43:53,070 --> 01:43:50,440
yet but I do intend to watch it well

2208
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:53,080
George George not really makes it the I

2209
01:43:58,890 --> 01:43:55,770
mean Jeremy's a fine filmmaker yes he is

2210
01:44:00,960 --> 01:43:58,900
but it's really George Knapp's material

2211
01:44:04,500 --> 01:44:00,970
from the 90s that make that film just

2212
01:44:07,620 --> 01:44:04,510
riveting and now his good work in

2213
01:44:10,590 --> 01:44:07,630
putting it all together he's got a keen

2214
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:10,600
eye for cinematography and he without a

2215
01:44:16,170 --> 01:44:13,210
doubt he's very humble about it but I'm

2216
01:44:17,940 --> 01:44:16,180
you know he's just got it's it's a it's

2217
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:17,950
a real talent it's a world-class talent

2218
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:21,520
and so but his next film is is Lazar and

2219
01:44:30,780 --> 01:44:24,010
we have the same situation here where

2220
01:44:33,510 --> 01:44:30,790
Bob has survived many waves of criticism

2221
01:44:37,140 --> 01:44:33,520
over the years and and now there's new

2222
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:37,150
film is coming out where do we stand on

2223
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:39,250
that when we talk about evidence and

2224
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:42,400
improve and do you classify him as a

2225
01:44:48,630 --> 01:44:45,850
whistleblower of certainly area 51

2226
01:44:50,910 --> 01:44:48,640
wouldn't be the household name today I'm

2227
01:44:52,380 --> 01:44:50,920
a supporter of Bob Lazar and I'll just

2228
01:44:52,770 --> 01:44:52,390
say I've caught a lot of Hell for that

2229
01:44:56,729 --> 01:44:52,780
over the

2230
01:44:59,669 --> 01:44:56,739
by a lot of people I took a long long

2231
01:45:01,080 --> 01:44:59,679
time before I made some kind of

2232
01:45:03,839 --> 01:45:01,090
provisional decision on what I thought

2233
01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:03,849
about Bob Lazar probably the whole first

2234
01:45:08,220 --> 01:45:05,679
decade of the 20th century to be honest

2235
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:08,230
with you when I wrote my first book came

2236
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:10,480
out in 2000 and second edition came out

2237
01:45:15,379 --> 01:45:12,610
No - I didn't really know what to think

2238
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:15,389
about Lazar story I hadn't dove into it

2239
01:45:21,089 --> 01:45:17,760
sufficiently to know and I was afraid

2240
01:45:24,629 --> 01:45:21,099
there's so many minefields in the UFO

2241
01:45:27,540 --> 01:45:24,639
field obviously and in Lazar story was

2242
01:45:30,029 --> 01:45:27,550
definitely one of the big ones and but

2243
01:45:31,799 --> 01:45:30,039
by the time I finally I just I got to it

2244
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:31,809
I thought well I've got to really throw

2245
01:45:38,879 --> 01:45:35,650
myself into this and I read probably

2246
01:45:42,660 --> 01:45:38,889
every statement Lazar made back in those

2247
01:45:45,779 --> 01:45:42,670
days 89 90 91 he he was extremely

2248
01:45:47,700 --> 01:45:45,789
consistent actually and and then you

2249
01:45:49,379 --> 01:45:47,710
know getting into the claims that people

2250
01:45:51,450 --> 01:45:49,389
like Stan Friedman that Lazar was a

2251
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:51,460
fraud and so forth and that he didn't go

2252
01:45:57,620 --> 01:45:53,199
to MIT and he didn't go to Caltech and

2253
01:46:01,470 --> 01:45:57,630
well it turns out actually that Lazar

2254
01:46:04,620 --> 01:46:01,480
III I think you know I think what it was

2255
01:46:06,569 --> 01:46:04,630
the audited classes at MIT he wasn't he

2256
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:06,579
didn't go and I don't think that he

2257
01:46:12,029 --> 01:46:09,010
really claimed the things that he did

2258
01:46:13,709 --> 01:46:12,039
and and if he did I dunno

2259
01:46:15,569 --> 01:46:13,719
you know George Knapp proved that he

2260
01:46:17,879 --> 01:46:15,579
went to Los Alamos National Labs or he

2261
01:46:19,700 --> 01:46:17,889
worked there and he did certainly meet

2262
01:46:23,700 --> 01:46:19,710
with Edward Teller

2263
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:23,710
who certainly provided the impetus for

2264
01:46:29,790 --> 01:46:27,730
getting Lazar hired where he was and

2265
01:46:33,990 --> 01:46:29,800
then on top of that I spoke to a number

2266
01:46:35,310 --> 01:46:34,000
of people who are Oh golly

2267
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:35,320
now I'm in a position that I can't

2268
01:46:38,310 --> 01:46:37,119
mention someone's name or not I'd want

2269
01:46:41,580 --> 01:46:38,320
to be able to mention this person's name

2270
01:46:42,740 --> 01:46:41,590
he's pretty well-known but I guess I'll

2271
01:46:45,270 --> 01:46:42,750
just say I had a number of people

2272
01:46:47,189 --> 01:46:45,280
provide very strong confirmation that

2273
01:46:49,370 --> 01:46:47,199
Lazar was where he said he was at the

2274
01:46:51,359 --> 01:46:49,380
time that he was there and I believe it

2275
01:46:55,620 --> 01:46:51,369
now that doesn't mean that every single

2276
01:46:58,439 --> 01:46:55,630
thing Lazar said is true I don't know if

2277
01:47:00,720 --> 01:46:58,449
his information is accurate or not but I

2278
01:47:02,549 --> 01:47:00,730
I do believe that he is truthful about

2279
01:47:04,049 --> 01:47:02,559
what he said he did and I was I was

2280
01:47:06,350 --> 01:47:04,059
sitting right in the audience at the

2281
01:47:10,310 --> 01:47:06,360
International UFO Congress in

2282
01:47:12,109 --> 01:47:10,320
as a 2015 15 yeah when he was there in

2283
01:47:15,169 --> 01:47:12,119
fact I spoke on the same stage the same

2284
01:47:16,850 --> 01:47:15,179
day and I listen to Lazar with George

2285
01:47:18,709 --> 01:47:16,860
Knapp up there and I thought Bob Lazar

2286
01:47:21,740 --> 01:47:18,719
gave a very excellent accounting for

2287
01:47:26,959 --> 01:47:21,750
himself so no I believed him I think

2288
01:47:29,390 --> 01:47:26,969
that he did what he said he did and so

2289
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:29,400
yeah he's a whistleblower in my view how

2290
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:36,210
has how has the UFO question changed

2291
01:47:41,090 --> 01:47:38,130
because I think there's been a definite

2292
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:41,100
shift over the last two to three years

2293
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:44,130
because of some pretty big things

2294
01:47:49,250 --> 01:47:46,800
happening certainly you know there's t

2295
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:49,260
TSA there is this glory good side of

2296
01:47:55,879 --> 01:47:52,290
things there is the the growth of Gaia

2297
01:47:58,220 --> 01:47:55,889
TV very big conferences across this

2298
01:48:02,510 --> 01:47:58,230
country that are that are sold out and

2299
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:02,520
then in television in general there has

2300
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:05,730
been this this elevation I just named

2301
01:48:09,919 --> 01:48:08,400
four major films right that have been

2302
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:09,929
released yeah well what we're seeing

2303
01:48:13,459 --> 01:48:12,090
this is all the result of the web like

2304
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:13,469
fundamentally all of it it's all the

2305
01:48:18,350 --> 01:48:15,119
result of interconnectivity like back in

2306
01:48:21,740 --> 01:48:18,360
the 80s and prior the genuine interest

2307
01:48:23,450 --> 01:48:21,750
in UFOs could be muted by what I like to

2308
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:23,460
call our official culture the official

2309
01:48:28,810 --> 01:48:25,650
establishment because they they had such

2310
01:48:30,709 --> 01:48:28,820
dominant power over the methods by which

2311
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:30,719
information would get out whether

2312
01:48:34,399 --> 01:48:32,250
through newspapers which are all part of

2313
01:48:37,609 --> 01:48:34,409
the mockingbirds system or TV which is

2314
01:48:39,260 --> 01:48:37,619
even worse and so it was only the

2315
01:48:41,060 --> 01:48:39,270
development of this crazy new thing

2316
01:48:43,250 --> 01:48:41,070
called the Internet where people were

2317
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:43,260
actually able they didn't need a

2318
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:44,960
middleman they didn't need a a

2319
01:48:49,820 --> 01:48:47,489
schoolmarm nanny to say no you can't put

2320
01:48:52,129 --> 01:48:49,830
this out they just did it and so what

2321
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:52,139
happened was this explosion of

2322
01:48:56,689 --> 01:48:55,050
information and opinion and claims and

2323
01:48:58,910 --> 01:48:56,699
everything else and it just became like

2324
01:49:02,629 --> 01:48:58,920
the Wild West all almost overnight and

2325
01:49:04,580 --> 01:49:02,639
by the the turn of the century what had

2326
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:04,590
happened is that the interest in the UFO

2327
01:49:07,970 --> 01:49:06,210
phenomenon see that's real that's

2328
01:49:10,220 --> 01:49:07,980
genuine that's something that resonates

2329
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:10,230
with with people a lot of people don't

2330
01:49:16,189 --> 01:49:12,810
realize that they are fascinated by this

2331
01:49:19,250 --> 01:49:16,199
until they encounter it and then they

2332
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:19,260
they discover this hunger for truth and

2333
01:49:22,859 --> 01:49:20,050
for knowledge

2334
01:49:25,229 --> 01:49:22,869
and so what's happened is that because

2335
01:49:27,930 --> 01:49:25,239
of this development of this internet

2336
01:49:30,330 --> 01:49:27,940
people have been able to express this

2337
01:49:33,779 --> 01:49:30,340
interest UFOs have always been one of

2338
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:33,789
the most popular things to search on the

2339
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:35,170
web and on the internet since the

2340
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:38,170
beginning and and so what's happened is

2341
01:49:43,290 --> 01:49:41,199
that the establishment media has had to

2342
01:49:44,759 --> 01:49:43,300
adapt to that and and it's no longer

2343
01:49:47,879 --> 01:49:44,769
just the establishment media anymore

2344
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:47,889
like it's really easy for a lot of

2345
01:49:51,540 --> 01:49:49,360
people now to break in and make their

2346
01:49:53,540 --> 01:49:51,550
own movies like Jeremy and like a lot of

2347
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:53,550
other folks so you're seeing this

2348
01:49:58,439 --> 01:49:57,010
explosion of creativity and of people

2349
01:50:01,560 --> 01:49:58,449
making their own statements I mean on

2350
01:50:03,239 --> 01:50:01,570
YouTube and everywhere else there's all

2351
01:50:05,549 --> 01:50:03,249
these people that are just out there so

2352
01:50:07,979 --> 01:50:05,559
it's has become this massive movement

2353
01:50:10,379 --> 01:50:07,989
and this is why like when I talk about

2354
01:50:12,450 --> 01:50:10,389
disclosure as a paradox it is it's

2355
01:50:15,450 --> 01:50:12,460
impossible and it's inevitable it is

2356
01:50:17,939 --> 01:50:15,460
both of these things like it's I've

2357
01:50:20,729 --> 01:50:17,949
always felt disclosure about UFOs is

2358
01:50:23,279 --> 01:50:20,739
impossible in the sense that there's

2359
01:50:27,989 --> 01:50:23,289
really no motivation that I see among

2360
01:50:30,149 --> 01:50:27,999
the powers that be right to to give up

2361
01:50:33,419 --> 01:50:30,159
this the secret that is so revolutionary

2362
01:50:34,500 --> 01:50:33,429
and and damaging to the status quo on

2363
01:50:36,180 --> 01:50:34,510
the other hand they're not the only

2364
01:50:37,950 --> 01:50:36,190
people making the decisions because we

2365
01:50:40,729 --> 01:50:37,960
have a society in the process of

2366
01:50:44,489 --> 01:50:40,739
revolutionary social economic and

2367
01:50:47,370 --> 01:50:44,499
intellectual change an infrastructure

2368
01:50:51,509 --> 01:50:47,380
change so the equations constantly in

2369
01:50:53,129 --> 01:50:51,519
flux and this is why T TS a actually was

2370
01:50:56,100 --> 01:50:53,139
able to do what they did a lot of people

2371
01:50:58,620 --> 01:50:56,110
have said ctsas is simply an Intel op

2372
01:51:00,089 --> 01:50:58,630
and I'm not I'm not of this opinion and

2373
01:51:02,669 --> 01:51:00,099
I realize there are people who will

2374
01:51:04,979 --> 01:51:02,679
criticize me for this but I'm saying

2375
01:51:06,779 --> 01:51:04,989
this at least partially on the basis of

2376
01:51:08,850 --> 01:51:06,789
the fact that I've I've known how put

2377
01:51:10,620 --> 01:51:08,860
off for many many years and I've known

2378
01:51:12,299 --> 01:51:10,630
him personally and I respect him and

2379
01:51:13,890 --> 01:51:12,309
there's nothing that anyone's going to

2380
01:51:16,290 --> 01:51:13,900
say to me to make me not respect that

2381
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:16,300
man it doesn't mean that he doesn't have

2382
01:51:20,129 --> 01:51:18,610
a motivation for doing what he does with

2383
01:51:22,589 --> 01:51:20,139
T TSA or that no one has their own

2384
01:51:24,569 --> 01:51:22,599
personal motivations I mean everyone's

2385
01:51:26,250 --> 01:51:24,579
got motivations that are private and

2386
01:51:29,370 --> 01:51:26,260
personal and everyone wants to make

2387
01:51:32,370 --> 01:51:29,380
their money and but ultimately what

2388
01:51:35,310 --> 01:51:32,380
happened with T TSA is that

2389
01:51:38,550 --> 01:51:35,320
you have this true believer this guy Tom

2390
01:51:43,230 --> 01:51:38,560
DeLonge who is was clearly into the

2391
01:51:45,030 --> 01:51:43,240
subject you know and and you know he

2392
01:51:47,190 --> 01:51:45,040
probably yes he wanted to turn it into a

2393
01:51:48,660 --> 01:51:47,200
venture so you can say that's a bad

2394
01:51:51,870 --> 01:51:48,670
thing you can say that you don't care

2395
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:51,880
whatever it's just how it is but this

2396
01:51:56,730 --> 01:51:54,010
type of thing as I see it is kind of a

2397
01:51:59,970 --> 01:51:56,740
historical inevitability like there's

2398
01:52:04,430 --> 01:51:59,980
we're at the point where the capability

2399
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:04,440
to generate forward motion on this is

2400
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:08,080
too great and so that the establishment

2401
01:52:13,700 --> 01:52:10,690
has had to make and is going to have to

2402
01:52:17,730 --> 01:52:13,710
continue to make concessions to this

2403
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:17,740
rising tide of people who want this

2404
01:52:21,420 --> 01:52:19,810
disclosure so of course the

2405
01:52:23,730 --> 01:52:21,430
establishment is going to try to take as

2406
01:52:25,380 --> 01:52:23,740
much control over the spin of that

2407
01:52:27,180 --> 01:52:25,390
disclosure as possible and you have to

2408
01:52:29,250 --> 01:52:27,190
expect that that doesn't make them evil

2409
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:29,260
either everyone's got their part to play

2410
01:52:37,410 --> 01:52:32,890
here so their job is to spin and our job

2411
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:37,420
is to is to correct that spin our job is

2412
01:52:42,630 --> 01:52:39,850
to tear away the venires

2413
01:52:45,180 --> 01:52:42,640
of spin and deception and half-truths

2414
01:52:47,250 --> 01:52:45,190
and so forth and it's you know it's

2415
01:52:49,620 --> 01:52:47,260
that's where we're at right now so I

2416
01:52:51,540 --> 01:52:49,630
think you're seeing this the dike is

2417
01:52:53,790 --> 01:52:51,550
breaking the dam the dam is breaking

2418
01:52:56,700 --> 01:52:53,800
yeah the dam is definitely breaking but

2419
01:52:58,920 --> 01:52:56,710
let me ask you a very direct question

2420
01:53:04,410 --> 01:52:58,930
when you say that

2421
01:53:05,430 --> 01:53:04,420
TTS a is an Intel op what makes you come

2422
01:53:09,690 --> 01:53:05,440
to that conclusion

2423
01:53:12,930 --> 01:53:09,700
when this community is staring down the

2424
01:53:15,890 --> 01:53:12,940
eyeballs of members of the CIA in the

2425
01:53:19,980 --> 01:53:15,900
defense intelligence community and

2426
01:53:24,500 --> 01:53:19,990
counterintelligence and in the list is

2427
01:53:27,060 --> 01:53:24,510
very long from for those that have been

2428
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:27,070
creating counterintelligence against

2429
01:53:31,500 --> 01:53:28,690
this community for years and suddenly

2430
01:53:33,870 --> 01:53:31,510
this is who is running this this company

2431
01:53:36,570 --> 01:53:33,880
where does that trust from you come from

2432
01:53:39,660 --> 01:53:36,580
right now yeah that's a fair question so

2433
01:53:40,740 --> 01:53:39,670
I would say this first of all anyone

2434
01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:40,750
who's looked at the intelligence

2435
01:53:45,550 --> 01:53:42,370
community knows it's not it's not a

2436
01:53:47,680 --> 01:53:45,560
single monolith it's a labyrinth

2437
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:47,690
and there have always been people in the

2438
01:53:51,340 --> 01:53:49,010
intelligence community who do not

2439
01:53:54,190 --> 01:53:51,350
believe in the UFO secrecy and that's

2440
01:53:56,950 --> 01:53:54,200
the fact now I don't know every one of

2441
01:53:59,830 --> 01:53:56,960
the people involved in T TSA but I know

2442
01:54:01,480 --> 01:53:59,840
how put off and as I say I believe in

2443
01:54:07,570 --> 01:54:01,490
his integrity and I believe that he

2444
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:07,580
believes in the desirability of getting

2445
01:54:13,510 --> 01:54:11,840
of breaking this this blog Jim that

2446
01:54:14,590 --> 01:54:13,520
we're having in our society I believe

2447
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:14,600
that about him

2448
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:17,090
I don't I can't speak personally about

2449
01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:19,250
the other people involved here and and

2450
01:54:24,220 --> 01:54:21,650
the thing is yes they all have they're

2451
01:54:25,900 --> 01:54:24,230
all out of Intel and so we we need to

2452
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:25,910
recognize that but does that mean that

2453
01:54:29,290 --> 01:54:27,920
they're actually doing an OP like is

2454
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:29,300
this enough has anyone been able to

2455
01:54:33,820 --> 01:54:31,370
prove that Sonam has anyone provided

2456
01:54:35,740 --> 01:54:33,830
evidence that this is an op if they have

2457
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:35,750
I'm not I'm not aware of it and maybe

2458
01:54:43,300 --> 01:54:41,290
that's just my fault the the the

2459
01:54:47,530 --> 01:54:43,310
counter-argument to that is an easy one

2460
01:54:49,150 --> 01:54:47,540
you can't prove that it is not right so

2461
01:54:51,700 --> 01:54:49,160
right so we're kind of spinning in

2462
01:54:54,310 --> 01:54:51,710
circles here and sure and my attitude is

2463
01:54:56,200 --> 01:54:54,320
this is this argument is almost part of

2464
01:54:58,090 --> 01:54:56,210
the postmodernist infection of our

2465
01:55:00,400 --> 01:54:58,100
intellect in today's world by that I

2466
01:55:02,590 --> 01:55:00,410
simply mean we've gone into the habit of

2467
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:02,600
looking behind arguments rather than add

2468
01:55:06,190 --> 01:55:04,400
arguments we've gotten into the habit of

2469
01:55:08,020 --> 01:55:06,200
looking at what we perceive as

2470
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:08,030
motivations of people for saying what

2471
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:09,410
they do rather than what they're

2472
01:55:14,740 --> 01:55:11,690
actually saying and doing so in the case

2473
01:55:16,900 --> 01:55:14,750
of TTS a what I've seen is over the last

2474
01:55:19,210 --> 01:55:16,910
year they've actually said a lot like

2475
01:55:22,180 --> 01:55:19,220
cut off speech at SSC earlier this year

2476
01:55:26,290 --> 01:55:22,190
a society of scientific exploration was

2477
01:55:29,670 --> 01:55:26,300
a like an earthquake and its importance

2478
01:55:34,990 --> 01:55:29,680
I mean here he is talking explicitly

2479
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:35,000
about a object that's a bismuth and

2480
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:37,610
magnesium of a certain a certain type of

2481
01:55:41,260 --> 01:55:39,770
structure that came to them this is back

2482
01:55:42,490 --> 01:55:41,270
in the art bell days when someone said

2483
01:55:44,980 --> 01:55:42,500
this is part of a UFO crash retrieval

2484
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:44,990
and and how cutoffs talking explicitly

2485
01:55:47,620 --> 01:55:46,610
about how for years they try to

2486
01:55:49,030 --> 01:55:47,630
understanding this thing and they

2487
01:55:52,540 --> 01:55:49,040
couldn't make heads or tails out of it

2488
01:55:54,460 --> 01:55:52,550
and only recently have they been a big

2489
01:55:57,700 --> 01:55:54,470
your'e out who made it what it would be

2490
01:55:57,970 --> 01:55:57,710
for and only very recently he said have

2491
01:55:59,500 --> 01:55:57,980
they

2492
01:56:02,170 --> 01:55:59,510
able to understand this as a very

2493
01:56:03,850 --> 01:56:02,180
excellent he calls waveguide for

2494
01:56:05,530 --> 01:56:03,860
electromagnetic frequencies in the

2495
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:05,540
terahertz range and I'm looking that up

2496
01:56:09,010 --> 01:56:06,770
and like what is a waveguide and what is

2497
01:56:11,740 --> 01:56:09,020
this so a waveguide is like a canal is a

2498
01:56:14,590 --> 01:56:11,750
waveguide for water it guides things so

2499
01:56:17,190 --> 01:56:14,600
this very very sophisticated piece of

2500
01:56:20,110 --> 01:56:17,200
this artifact of whatever it is is a

2501
01:56:23,290 --> 01:56:20,120
highly sophisticated piece of technology

2502
01:56:27,700 --> 01:56:23,300
now is there an ulterior motive that he

2503
01:56:29,110 --> 01:56:27,710
has to say what he does well I don't

2504
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:29,120
know what that is but I know that he

2505
01:56:33,850 --> 01:56:31,370
said what he did and that's an important

2506
01:56:37,330 --> 01:56:33,860
piece of factual information that we now

2507
01:56:38,770 --> 01:56:37,340
can work with they've released three

2508
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:38,780
videos and people have argued about

2509
01:56:42,340 --> 01:56:40,970
those videos but I'm at the point where

2510
01:56:44,380 --> 01:56:42,350
I don't believe that those are fake

2511
01:56:47,229 --> 01:56:44,390
there is a big argument on meta bunk and

2512
01:56:48,970 --> 01:56:47,239
I'm familiar with it all and for a while

2513
01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:48,980
I thought maybe the gimble video was

2514
01:56:54,070 --> 01:56:51,890
indeed a hoax but I don't believe it is

2515
01:56:56,229 --> 01:56:54,080
I think that what they put out is legit

2516
01:56:58,000 --> 01:56:56,239
now if I'm wrong then I'm wrong you know

2517
01:56:59,590 --> 01:56:58,010
and I'm allowed to be wrong but I don't

2518
01:57:01,960 --> 01:56:59,600
I this is what I believe at this point

2519
01:57:06,340 --> 01:57:01,970
so what they've done is they've they've

2520
01:57:08,260 --> 01:57:06,350
done some very tangible things that we

2521
01:57:10,690 --> 01:57:08,270
can work with and the fact that they put

2522
01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:10,700
in got an article out because they were

2523
01:57:14,290 --> 01:57:12,170
fundamentally behind what happened with

2524
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:14,300
the New York Times piece last December

2525
01:57:20,590 --> 01:57:17,570
and and let me just say I have zero

2526
01:57:23,020 --> 01:57:20,600
regard for the for the New York Times

2527
01:57:26,140 --> 01:57:23,030
they do the work of the Empire they lied

2528
01:57:27,970 --> 01:57:26,150
about Arachne we're almost you could say

2529
01:57:29,530 --> 01:57:27,980
they were responsible in large part for

2530
01:57:32,050 --> 01:57:29,540
the destruction of that entire nation

2531
01:57:33,580 --> 01:57:32,060
based on lies and we should never

2532
01:57:35,220 --> 01:57:33,590
forgive them for that and for us so many

2533
01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:35,230
other lies but the New York Times

2534
01:57:40,360 --> 01:57:37,730
promulgates and so why should and

2535
01:57:42,970 --> 01:57:40,370
they've lied about UFOs since forever so

2536
01:57:45,700 --> 01:57:42,980
why should we you know so what is the

2537
01:57:48,390 --> 01:57:45,710
significance of this December 17th 2017

2538
01:57:52,570 --> 01:57:48,400
article like that's it's like a paradox

2539
01:57:54,790 --> 01:57:52,580
it is but but my my interpretation on

2540
01:57:58,210 --> 01:57:54,800
this has been and it remains so far I

2541
01:58:00,040 --> 01:57:58,220
think that they did it to maintain as

2542
01:58:02,110 --> 01:58:00,050
much spin and control over the story as

2543
01:58:05,260 --> 01:58:02,120
possible because this was coming out

2544
01:58:07,870 --> 01:58:05,270
like in other words TTS A's forward

2545
01:58:11,410 --> 01:58:07,880
motion was happening like that was

2546
01:58:13,479 --> 01:58:11,420
absolutely happening and my opinion

2547
01:58:15,550 --> 01:58:13,489
is that someone at the top of the New

2548
01:58:18,430 --> 01:58:15,560
York Times structure said I will do this

2549
01:58:20,530 --> 01:58:18,440
because where we will contain and

2550
01:58:23,169 --> 01:58:20,540
control and will be the waveguide for

2551
01:58:24,729 --> 01:58:23,179
this story and in fact we now know I

2552
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:24,739
mean they did a lot of deceptions and

2553
01:58:29,860 --> 01:58:27,770
inaccuracies in their coverage like we

2554
01:58:31,750 --> 01:58:29,870
know that most of that 22 million

2555
01:58:33,310 --> 01:58:31,760
dollars that supposedly was with a tip

2556
01:58:35,709 --> 01:58:33,320
actually went to study the the

2557
01:58:38,290 --> 01:58:35,719
skinwalker ranch and they didn't cover

2558
01:58:41,410 --> 01:58:38,300
that so there's a lot of other things so

2559
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:41,420
what do we what so what do we do with

2560
01:58:48,370 --> 01:58:45,770
this you're saying that New York Times

2561
01:58:51,310 --> 01:58:48,380
despite all their lies and obfuscation

2562
01:58:54,610 --> 01:58:51,320
and you know lack of credibility they

2563
01:58:56,950 --> 01:58:54,620
they actually despite themselves despite

2564
01:59:01,180 --> 01:58:56,960
themselves because of the force of

2565
01:59:03,820 --> 01:59:01,190
history put out something on the UFO

2566
01:59:06,430 --> 01:59:03,830
subject that actually gave it some

2567
01:59:12,939 --> 01:59:06,440
credence that in itself is an incredible

2568
01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:12,949
moment in in modern UFO history and yes

2569
01:59:17,260 --> 01:59:14,690
the New York Times lies yes the New York

2570
01:59:19,810 --> 01:59:17,270
Times spins but this much actually

2571
01:59:22,689 --> 01:59:19,820
happened and they did as much damage

2572
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:22,699
control over that story as possible but

2573
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:25,730
still it came out and that is because

2574
01:59:29,709 --> 01:59:27,530
there is a force of history happening

2575
01:59:31,660 --> 01:59:29,719
here and in that sense it's actually

2576
01:59:33,130 --> 01:59:31,670
really exciting the scene let's take a

2577
01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:33,140
break right here it's very interesting

2578
01:59:38,110 --> 01:59:36,770
Richard though that you're saying the

2579
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:38,120
past is the past

2580
01:59:49,689 --> 01:59:41,810
this article is solid so now we must

2581
01:59:51,430 --> 01:59:49,699
trust I will come back exactly exactly

2582
01:59:53,470 --> 01:59:51,440
that's why you Richard bleep and Dolan

2583
01:59:55,270 --> 01:59:53,480
I'm just a dude on a microphone and

2584
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we'll pick up this conversation when we

2585
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with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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oh I I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to

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Jimmy Church this is revolution the

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revolution will not be televised the

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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all right welcome back fade to black

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coming soon to church you can follow me

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on twitter @ JT radio you can follow

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richard at rich dolan don't do Richard

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you got a do rich on Twitter it's right

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there at rich and Dolan Richard Reid

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adjusts up popped into the the bunker

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here and said or you can open up the

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phones you want to take some phone calls

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all right just like I mean I jump down

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this dark road Jimmy yeah let's uh you

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know let's see how that goes yeah I'll

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do the dance with you okay 3 2 3 2 7 5 9

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6 9 5 or 8 1 8 9 2 1 6 9 to 9 and I'll

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leave it there let's man well that I

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opened up those floodgates Richard here

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we go I'm gonna put this one on hold and

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there you go ok so now I wanted to ask

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you this we were talking about the New

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York Times before the break oh all right

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but before we somewhat mischaracterized

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my position on the New York Times you

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need to say this ok yeah I don't know if

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you meant to I'm gonna give you that

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much but I think you did ok certainly

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let us sure because I don't think no

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it's not like if I want to read you know

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how did the Mets do last night I'm sure

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the New York Times will tell me pretty

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accurately how they did I mean there are

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times we'll give news on certain things

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now they will spin their news on other

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things that matter and that includes

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UFOs and and as I just said before the

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break like the New York Times spun the

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hell out of the a tip story and out of

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the information that was basically

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pushed out there by T TSA but it doesn't

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mean that everything that they put out

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there was there for illegitimate like

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what they there were things that they

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put out that were and remain meaningful

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and fundamentally you know flavors

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military encounter off the coast of

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California that he and three other

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pilots had and

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during the tic-tac UFO that's important

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and they didn't give a complete by any

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means a complete narrative of what

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happened there but they gave enough that

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it it broke through and got some

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attention so there were important things

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there and I feel they did it it's like

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you have to give up some in order to

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maintain as much control as possible and

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I think that's what they did do you

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think that a year from now do you think

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that TTS Ahaz has missed the boat and

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like a year from now that we are gonna

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look back and go wow that that TTS a

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effort was interesting last year but

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they did so many awful missteps and

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horrible I mean my god Tom DeLonge is

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interviewing Joe Rogan oh I know an

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orange vest it was the worst absolute

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worst and and you know and then the

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whole the whole mylar balloon fiasco and

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all this other stuff I mean just

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ridiculous fact I did the show with you

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and Steve Mehra where we we talked about

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that right yeah I do remember that so

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there were a lot of really unforgivable

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unforgivable mistakes that they made but

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I I see them as mistakes bush-league for

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sure but I don't see that it's disinfo I

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just see that as like total screwup but

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the thing is it's not all about Tom

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DeLonge and I think what we're seeing is

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that putt-off and semi van and Elizondo

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and these others there's there's a real

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possibility that they're going to be

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putting more information out there look

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I don't think that they're the saviors

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by any means but I'm glad that they're

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out there I mean I actually I'm

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interested in what more they may be able

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to provide in terms of information cut

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off his company's earth tech and he's

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put out the word that he wants materials

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from alleged UFO crash retrievals so and

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he has said now maybe he's being

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truthful maybe not he said that

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information that he gets in research he

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does will be made public so that would

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be a good thing so my attitude is let

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these people try to do their thing

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if he has ulterior motives to make a

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trillion dollars off the tech well fine

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let the man make his money like what

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what we want is information in

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scientific data that we can work with to

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move this field forward this is my

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attitude about it like I mean for people

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who are out there to get angry over the

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fact that anyone makes money at all in

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any field it's like what do you what do

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you Stalinist communism like let's grow

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up and recognize that that people have

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lives to live and so earth tech if he

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wants to make money off of technology

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that he can develop based on crash

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retrievals them find whatever like who

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really cares enough to [\h__\h] about this

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the the fundamentals are that the

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information is getting out there and

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this is this is where I'm at at least

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philosophically with it so I don't know

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if TTS a will fall flat if it you know

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people have talked about the 37 million

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dollars that they called as a loss and I

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just shrugged my shoulders at that like

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Amazon lost money and has every single

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quarter for how many years it didn't

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stop their valuations from going through

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the roof like the fact that a

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corporation loses money is not

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necessarily a meaningful thing about

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their their capabilities and even the

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the boilerplate message of you know

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worried about or concern about our

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ability to continue I mean whatever it

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was they said that's that's just

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legalistic boilerplate so what does it

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really mean well I don't know but I

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don't think the sky is falling and I I

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think it's people are really looking

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into TTS a as there's the most devious

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of operations and it's not that there

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there hasn't been a conical series of

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major gas and screw ups there have been

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but there has been another side of it

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aside to it as well so I'm just willing

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to see how it all plays out all right

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let's go to the phones

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area code 508 you're up on fated blocks

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ahead of Richard Dolan who's calling

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Chris hey Chris what do you got for

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Richard I just but first like to say

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Thank You Bridget for everything that

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you do I'm a big follow of you have been

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following you for a few years now I live

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in central Massachusetts and I happen to

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live in the founder of the American Red

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Cross's house Clara Barton we tried our

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town is well-known for and she walks

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around this house a little bit she gives

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us me and my wife my two young children

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some some good messages every once in a

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while and I just want to say you know

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you're doing a really good job Richard

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but like you said earlier you know with

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the whole bob lazar thing it took you

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ten years to get to where you are now

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and perhaps maybe some of the ways that

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you feel about certain things with

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certain people who are maybe coming

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forward and talking about the things

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that they are are kind of gonna become

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known fact in about another ten years

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you know sure I just want to thank you

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no I appreciate that Chris I honestly do

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and one thing I like to try to do as

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much as possible is to take my time to

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make a decision and look I mean I have a

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02:12:22,300 --> 02:12:19,460
certain opinion I assume you're

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02:12:26,020 --> 02:12:22,310
referring to Corey good right now and if

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I if something were to happen over the

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next few years were new evidence were to

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come forward to validate things that he

2844
02:12:36,520 --> 02:12:34,219
says I can say this very honestly that I

2845
02:12:40,359 --> 02:12:36,530
will I would change my public opinion

2846
02:12:42,180 --> 02:12:40,369
about it and and I would I would support

2847
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whatever I think is true about it I mean

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the thing about about my attitude on

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this is I don't I I never ever want to

2850
02:12:52,030 --> 02:12:49,540
get to a point where I feel

2851
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ideologically committed to a particular

2852
02:12:57,459 --> 02:12:54,469
answer so if new information comes my

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02:13:00,430 --> 02:12:57,469
way or and it's my job honestly to

2854
02:13:01,959 --> 02:13:00,440
change my my assessment of it so I

2855
02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:01,969
assume that's what you were kind of

2856
02:13:07,750 --> 02:13:04,010
getting at but thank you for the phone

2857
02:13:09,609 --> 02:13:07,760
call Chris let's go to area code 602

2858
02:13:12,459 --> 02:13:09,619
Europe next time fade to black who's

2859
02:13:16,600 --> 02:13:12,469
calling say hi to Richard this isn't a

2860
02:13:20,200 --> 02:13:16,610
costume mix from the serious oh man it's

2861
02:13:26,440 --> 02:13:23,890
okay I have to give a I have to give a

2862
02:13:31,240 --> 02:13:26,450
shout-out to everybody in the chatroom

2863
02:13:35,020 --> 02:13:31,250
Richard's YouTube channel CW chanter the

2864
02:13:36,990 --> 02:13:35,030
dart journalist Joe from the Carolinas

2865
02:13:40,600 --> 02:13:37,000
hello everybody

2866
02:13:44,770 --> 02:13:40,610
Jimmy Jimmy I have to ask you a question

2867
02:13:48,550 --> 02:13:44,780
Jimmy sure if you if you lived in an old

2868
02:13:52,300 --> 02:13:48,560
ghost town about 150 years ago and you

2869
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:52,310
were the doctor in Mattoon and your

2870
02:13:56,980 --> 02:13:54,410
medicine was imperfect and your

2871
02:13:58,450 --> 02:13:56,990
knowledge was imperfect but you did a

2872
02:14:02,800 --> 02:13:58,460
pretty good job of treating the

2873
02:14:05,410 --> 02:14:02,810
townspeople and one day a snake oil

2874
02:14:08,200 --> 02:14:05,420
salesman rolls into town across the

2875
02:14:10,950 --> 02:14:08,210
street and you start selling snake oil

2876
02:14:14,950 --> 02:14:10,960
to your patients would you get upset

2877
02:14:17,140 --> 02:14:14,960
would you think that somehow the whole

2878
02:14:20,500 --> 02:14:17,150
practice of medicine had been sullied

2879
02:14:27,460 --> 02:14:20,510
because the snake oil salesman rolled up

2880
02:14:29,680 --> 02:14:27,470
across the street I'm trying to connect

2881
02:14:32,140 --> 02:14:29,690
with what's yours I'm gonna throw that

2882
02:14:35,920 --> 02:14:32,150
to Richard do you have an answer for

2883
02:14:37,660 --> 02:14:35,930
that yeah I think I get it and I would

2884
02:14:39,820 --> 02:14:37,670
say yeah I would probably have a problem

2885
02:14:43,030 --> 02:14:39,830
with that if I'm a doctor a legitimate

2886
02:14:47,710 --> 02:14:43,040
doctor doing my best to treat people and

2887
02:14:50,470 --> 02:14:47,720
I see a charlatan coming into town and

2888
02:14:53,050 --> 02:14:50,480
providing fake cures which i think is

2889
02:14:54,940 --> 02:14:53,060
what Natasha is getting at then yeah I

2890
02:14:57,040 --> 02:14:54,950
mean I would I would raise the alarm and

2891
02:15:00,640 --> 02:14:57,050
I would try to raise public awareness as

2892
02:15:02,620 --> 02:15:00,650
much as possible and say hey look my

2893
02:15:03,430 --> 02:15:02,630
opinion is that this is not useful it's

2894
02:15:04,720 --> 02:15:03,440
not helpful

2895
02:15:07,180 --> 02:15:04,730
you're wasting your money and you'll

2896
02:15:10,720 --> 02:15:07,190
probably you won't get better there you

2897
02:15:12,940 --> 02:15:10,730
go you know what we're doing here yeah I

2898
02:15:19,300 --> 02:15:12,950
got to agree with Richard on that one so

2899
02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:19,310
there you go right back at you Natasha I

2900
02:15:25,830 --> 02:15:22,490
think you're you're cutting out actually

2901
02:15:29,050 --> 02:15:25,840
it's it's unfortunately all right I

2902
02:15:30,879 --> 02:15:29,060
thank you have a great night that was a

2903
02:15:35,609 --> 02:15:30,889
bad connection there

2904
02:15:38,709 --> 02:15:35,619
let's go to let's see I'm gonna go with

2905
02:15:41,079 --> 02:15:38,719
let's try a first time caller let's go

2906
02:15:45,040 --> 02:15:41,089
here hi you're live on fade to black say

2907
02:15:46,750 --> 02:15:45,050
I had a Richard Dolan hey Richard how

2908
02:15:50,339 --> 02:15:46,760
are you

2909
02:15:53,829 --> 02:15:50,349
big fan thank you huge fan actually

2910
02:15:54,310 --> 02:15:53,839
thank you you're welcome you're very

2911
02:15:57,129 --> 02:15:54,320
welcome

2912
02:15:59,290 --> 02:15:57,139
I left the chat earlier I was at work

2913
02:16:01,659 --> 02:15:59,300
hoping for a new Richard Dolan upload

2914
02:16:03,489 --> 02:16:01,669
and then I got a notification about the

2915
02:16:06,270 --> 02:16:03,499
live stream which I totally forgot was

2916
02:16:08,859 --> 02:16:06,280
coming I'm very excited about that

2917
02:16:09,429 --> 02:16:08,869
and I'm a first-time caller yeah yeah

2918
02:16:12,609 --> 02:16:09,439
there you go

2919
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what's your question for Richard so I'm

2920
02:16:20,649 --> 02:16:16,729
curious as to what your opinion of the

2921
02:16:30,250 --> 02:16:20,659
the other intelligence as we might refer

2922
02:16:32,379 --> 02:16:30,260
to it being of an inner earth okay okay

2923
02:16:36,209 --> 02:16:32,389
yeah I think I cut out what do you think

2924
02:16:38,859 --> 02:16:36,219
about Richard the the the Inner Earth

2925
02:16:43,330 --> 02:16:38,869
possibilities of something living inside

2926
02:16:44,830 --> 02:16:43,340
of this planet well I as a publisher a

2927
02:16:46,419 --> 02:16:44,840
number of years ago I published one of

2928
02:16:49,080 --> 02:16:46,429
the books by dr. Richard Sauter on

2929
02:16:51,450 --> 02:16:49,090
underground bases and tunnel systems

2930
02:16:54,700 --> 02:16:51,460
clandestine underground facilities which

2931
02:16:56,530 --> 02:16:54,710
I will just say ever since I really

2932
02:16:59,019 --> 02:16:56,540
meticulously went through his work I've

2933
02:17:00,759 --> 02:16:59,029
had no problem and have no problem

2934
02:17:04,769 --> 02:17:00,769
believing that there is very likely a

2935
02:17:09,129 --> 02:17:04,779
substantial in and deep underground

2936
02:17:11,919 --> 02:17:09,139
infrastructure now I mean there's lots

2937
02:17:14,589 --> 02:17:11,929
of variations on on theories of Inner

2938
02:17:17,349 --> 02:17:14,599
Earth civilizations and so forth and I I

2939
02:17:20,129 --> 02:17:17,359
don't really know how far back on this I

2940
02:17:22,209 --> 02:17:20,139
go but I do think that there's a current

2941
02:17:24,189 --> 02:17:22,219
substantial underground infrastructure a

2942
02:17:29,200 --> 02:17:24,199
lot of its from our own human

2943
02:17:32,229 --> 02:17:29,210
civilization and my my judgment but I I

2944
02:17:35,889 --> 02:17:32,239
would think and I'm only just going on

2945
02:17:38,019 --> 02:17:35,899
the basis of case UFO cases that I'm

2946
02:17:44,040 --> 02:17:38,029
that are coming to my mind that deal

2947
02:17:46,650 --> 02:17:44,050
with underwater UFOs that there

2948
02:17:48,719 --> 02:17:46,660
is that actually under the ocean floor

2949
02:17:51,809 --> 02:17:48,729
and under deep deep underground would

2950
02:17:54,990 --> 02:17:51,819
probably be good places for the presence

2951
02:17:55,950 --> 02:17:55,000
of others to reside as well I would I

2952
02:17:59,370 --> 02:17:55,960
think it would actually make a lot of

2953
02:18:01,830 --> 02:17:59,380
sense but to me it's a theory based on

2954
02:18:04,830 --> 02:18:01,840
it's a hypothesis that's supported by

2955
02:18:05,730 --> 02:18:04,840
some evidence how far back it goes I

2956
02:18:08,849 --> 02:18:05,740
have no idea

2957
02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:08,859
let's go to area code well who is up

2958
02:18:14,450 --> 02:18:11,290
next seven one eight you're up next time

2959
02:18:19,200 --> 02:18:14,460
fade to black sigh had a Richard Dolan

2960
02:18:21,599 --> 02:18:19,210
hi New York City hi seven eight yes yes

2961
02:18:23,879 --> 02:18:21,609
thank you for much mr. Dolan um did you

2962
02:18:27,570 --> 02:18:23,889
speak to a gentleman named mr. Gibson in

2963
02:18:29,190 --> 02:18:27,580
Nevada by any chance during a like a

2964
02:18:32,520 --> 02:18:29,200
seminar or something like that he showed

2965
02:18:35,790 --> 02:18:32,530
you a picture of the code like a UFO or

2966
02:18:38,009 --> 02:18:35,800
something here in Queens New York golly

2967
02:18:39,809 --> 02:18:38,019
maybe I don't know I mean that that

2968
02:18:43,009 --> 02:18:39,819
would be a hard thing for me to a lender

2969
02:18:45,450 --> 02:18:43,019
to be perfectly honest with you sure I

2970
02:18:47,250 --> 02:18:45,460
trying to dismiss it I just I can't I

2971
02:18:48,990 --> 02:18:47,260
can't remember that you have to

2972
02:18:53,730 --> 02:18:49,000
understand when I when I do events I get

2973
02:18:57,230 --> 02:18:53,740
I'm I'm okay losted approach with this

2974
02:19:00,150 --> 02:18:57,240
I'm sorry I don't mean to interrupt you

2975
02:19:03,870 --> 02:19:00,160
closer friend of mine had like an

2976
02:19:06,270 --> 02:19:03,880
encounter here in Queens mm-hmm and this

2977
02:19:08,339 --> 02:19:06,280
was like in her room and there were like

2978
02:19:10,889 --> 02:19:08,349
the beings were like seven or eight feet

2979
02:19:15,900 --> 02:19:10,899
tall they were extracting something from

2980
02:19:18,929 --> 02:19:15,910
her from her stomach I contacted MUFON

2981
02:19:21,150 --> 02:19:18,939
about three years ago when I contacted

2982
02:19:23,009 --> 02:19:21,160
them I wasn't experiencing I didn't have

2983
02:19:26,040 --> 02:19:23,019
any encounters or experiences at that

2984
02:19:29,250 --> 02:19:26,050
time since then I've been having I have

2985
02:19:31,799 --> 02:19:29,260
had over 200 encounters myself some of

2986
02:19:33,959 --> 02:19:31,809
these encounters I've documented they're

2987
02:19:35,250 --> 02:19:33,969
on my youtube channel you could see them

2988
02:19:41,070 --> 02:19:35,260
for yourself

2989
02:19:43,410 --> 02:19:41,080
I have ongoing experiences and frankly

2990
02:19:45,419 --> 02:19:43,420
I'm a little bit you know it's been kind

2991
02:19:49,050 --> 02:19:45,429
of hard on me I'm dealing with it but

2992
02:19:52,020 --> 02:19:49,060
you know Here I am trying to let people

2993
02:19:55,889 --> 02:19:52,030
know all the truth you know okay well

2994
02:19:57,090 --> 02:19:55,899
thanks for calling me no no I don't mean

2995
02:19:58,131 --> 02:19:57,100
to cut you off is there something else

2996
02:20:01,290 --> 02:19:58,141
you wanted to say

2997
02:20:03,060 --> 02:20:01,300
I'm sorry just to see the video it's a

2998
02:20:07,560 --> 02:20:03,070
it's on my youtube channel mr. catfish

2999
02:20:12,210 --> 02:20:07,570
2100 no spaces the videos are there the

3000
02:20:14,310 --> 02:20:12,220
title is a triangular UFOs as a matter

3001
02:20:16,770 --> 02:20:14,320
of fact that let me just also say I was

3002
02:20:18,420 --> 02:20:16,780
on third phase of the Moon day oh

3003
02:20:21,600 --> 02:20:18,430
there's YouTube channel did they study

3004
02:20:23,070 --> 02:20:21,610
these things as well this this UFO video

3005
02:20:24,930 --> 02:20:23,080
that you're gonna see is actually this

3006
02:20:26,310 --> 02:20:24,940
happened on top of a politician's office

3007
02:20:28,110 --> 02:20:26,320
his name is Mike Miller

3008
02:20:30,690 --> 02:20:28,120
he's with the 30th district assembly of

3009
02:20:33,030 --> 02:20:30,700
Queens New York and if you see the video

3010
02:20:35,100 --> 02:20:33,040
excuse me if you see the video the the

3011
02:20:36,930 --> 02:20:35,110
UFOs are doing like geometric shapes and

3012
02:20:38,190 --> 02:20:36,940
stuff they actually come close and

3013
02:20:40,860 --> 02:20:38,200
they're above his building and they're

3014
02:20:42,150 --> 02:20:40,870
like in a triangular formation so I just

3015
02:20:43,470 --> 02:20:42,160
you know just want to let you know and

3016
02:20:46,980 --> 02:20:43,480
thank you for your work god bless you

3017
02:20:50,250 --> 02:20:46,990
guys continue thank you yeah thank you

3018
02:20:51,720 --> 02:20:50,260
and I don't really know how exactly to

3019
02:20:54,420 --> 02:20:51,730
respond to everything there I mean

3020
02:20:56,250 --> 02:20:54,430
you've clearly seem to have had

3021
02:20:58,200 --> 02:20:56,260
experiences and I guess the best thing

3022
02:21:00,420 --> 02:20:58,210
to do to anyone who's had experiences

3023
02:21:02,220 --> 02:21:00,430
like that it's it's hard right so the

3024
02:21:05,970 --> 02:21:02,230
best thing that I think we can do is we

3025
02:21:08,100 --> 02:21:05,980
do our best to clearly explain what we

3026
02:21:11,131 --> 02:21:08,110
think has happened and we do our best in

3027
02:21:13,350 --> 02:21:11,141
an imperfect world to to provide that

3028
02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:13,360
case before the rest of the world and it

3029
02:21:17,580 --> 02:21:14,650
seems like maybe you're trying to do

3030
02:21:21,631 --> 02:21:17,590
that so thanks thanks for that I wanted

3031
02:21:23,520 --> 02:21:21,641
to go back to a point that you had made

3032
02:21:24,750 --> 02:21:23,530
earlier and I know that you did I didn't

3033
02:21:26,790 --> 02:21:24,760
get a chance to see it Richard but I

3034
02:21:30,230 --> 02:21:26,800
know that you did a livestream earlier

3035
02:21:34,200 --> 02:21:30,240
this week about infiltration into the

3036
02:21:39,000 --> 02:21:34,210
UFO community and and I'm sure that all

3037
02:21:43,261 --> 02:21:39,010
of us are used to the concept right that

3038
02:21:45,540 --> 02:21:43,271
this obviously goes on but well I want

3039
02:21:49,980 --> 02:21:45,550
to give you the opportunity to explain

3040
02:21:53,070 --> 02:21:49,990
that a little bit further into why would

3041
02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:53,080
a three-letter agency be interested in

3042
02:21:59,131 --> 02:21:56,010
the UFO community when they have been

3043
02:22:02,070 --> 02:21:59,141
dismissing us for so long what's the

3044
02:22:04,350 --> 02:22:02,080
advantage of of breaking into this

3045
02:22:07,591 --> 02:22:04,360
community with disinformation what what

3046
02:22:08,700 --> 02:22:07,601
did they where do they stand again well

3047
02:22:10,830 --> 02:22:08,710
we'll go back to the Robertson panel

3048
02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:10,840
which would happen during the last

3049
02:22:14,519 --> 02:22:11,770
weekend of Harwich

3050
02:22:18,750 --> 02:22:14,529
presidency or early 1953 you have a CIA

3051
02:22:19,939 --> 02:22:18,760
convened scientific panel that really

3052
02:22:22,380 --> 02:22:19,949
all that they did it was a pre a

3053
02:22:25,050 --> 02:22:22,390
preordained meeting they knew they were

3054
02:22:27,029 --> 02:22:25,060
going to debunk all this all this UFO

3055
02:22:30,899 --> 02:22:27,039
stuff that had been dominating American

3056
02:22:32,189 --> 02:22:30,909
news for the previous year and they came

3057
02:22:33,809 --> 02:22:32,199
down with a recommendation that they

3058
02:22:35,729 --> 02:22:33,819
were going to do a debunking campaign in

3059
02:22:39,179 --> 02:22:35,739
the public working with corporations

3060
02:22:40,439 --> 02:22:39,189
working with major celebrities all of

3061
02:22:42,779 --> 02:22:40,449
this was a no brainer for them and it

3062
02:22:45,359 --> 02:22:42,789
was never never even a question like can

3063
02:22:48,300 --> 02:22:45,369
we do this by the way so the ridicule

3064
02:22:49,559 --> 02:22:48,310
factor was it was there was a decision

3065
02:22:51,330 --> 02:22:49,569
that was made that this is what they

3066
02:22:52,649 --> 02:22:51,340
were going to do at the same time they

3067
02:22:54,840 --> 02:22:52,659
also made the recommendation to

3068
02:22:58,319 --> 02:22:54,850
infiltrate UFO organizations at that

3069
02:23:00,179 --> 02:22:58,329
same panel and in fact they proceeded to

3070
02:23:02,790 --> 02:23:00,189
do both of those things in the immediate

3071
02:23:05,729 --> 02:23:02,800
aftermath this is one reason I think the

3072
02:23:07,620 --> 02:23:05,739
contact ve case is a strong one that it

3073
02:23:09,300 --> 02:23:07,630
was some kind of disinformation because

3074
02:23:12,120 --> 02:23:09,310
all those guys were right after the

3075
02:23:15,750 --> 02:23:12,130
conclusion of the Robertson panel 1953

3076
02:23:17,849 --> 02:23:15,760
54 55 and so on secondly you have

3077
02:23:21,929 --> 02:23:17,859
infiltration of UFO organizations

3078
02:23:24,179 --> 02:23:21,939
starting with the group a pro was

3079
02:23:27,120 --> 02:23:24,189
infiltrated as far as the lorenz ins who

3080
02:23:30,240 --> 02:23:27,130
ran it could tell by the late 1950s at

3081
02:23:33,630 --> 02:23:30,250
the latest NICAP infiltrated right from

3082
02:23:38,040 --> 02:23:33,640
the beginning in 1956-57 and so the

3083
02:23:40,290 --> 02:23:38,050
point is if you have a subject like UFOs

3084
02:23:44,359 --> 02:23:40,300
that is as important as it is to

3085
02:23:46,740 --> 02:23:44,369
national security entity to world

3086
02:23:49,139 --> 02:23:46,750
hierarchical stability the stability of

3087
02:23:51,349 --> 02:23:49,149
the infrastructure of our world then

3088
02:23:53,819 --> 02:23:51,359
you've got to make damn sure that it it

3089
02:23:55,769 --> 02:23:53,829
you maintain as much control over this

3090
02:23:58,380 --> 02:23:55,779
as possible in particular if you've

3091
02:24:01,590 --> 02:23:58,390
acquired UFO tech if you've acquired

3092
02:24:05,069 --> 02:24:01,600
non-human bodies like this is the most

3093
02:24:06,269 --> 02:24:05,079
incredibly revolutionary development one

3094
02:24:08,550 --> 02:24:06,279
can possibly imagine

3095
02:24:11,639 --> 02:24:08,560
of course control over that would be

3096
02:24:13,950 --> 02:24:11,649
non-negotiable and so when you find

3097
02:24:16,710 --> 02:24:13,960
these civilian groups that are nosing in

3098
02:24:19,229 --> 02:24:16,720
on it yeah they may not seem like a

3099
02:24:20,910 --> 02:24:19,239
threat initially but you've got a like a

3100
02:24:22,859 --> 02:24:20,920
good chess player if you can think ten

3101
02:24:25,160 --> 02:24:22,869
moves ahead you make sure they never get

3102
02:24:27,230 --> 02:24:25,170
to a point where they become a threat

3103
02:24:29,330 --> 02:24:27,240
problem is that from their point of view

3104
02:24:32,540 --> 02:24:29,340
is that our societies could continue to

3105
02:24:34,580 --> 02:24:32,550
evolve we've become a bit more capable

3106
02:24:36,500 --> 02:24:34,590
each generation in investigating this

3107
02:24:38,570 --> 02:24:36,510
that's the fact like we're better at

3108
02:24:40,190 --> 02:24:38,580
this now than we were 20 years ago and

3109
02:24:42,080 --> 02:24:40,200
they were better than people were 20

3110
02:24:45,110 --> 02:24:42,090
years before that we are making progress

3111
02:24:47,090 --> 02:24:45,120
and so it's becoming more difficult for

3112
02:24:49,730 --> 02:24:47,100
the other side to continue to contain us

3113
02:24:51,469 --> 02:24:49,740
so you've got the ridicule and you've

3114
02:24:54,200 --> 02:24:51,479
got the infiltration they go hand in

3115
02:24:56,030 --> 02:24:54,210
glove and it's not just UFOs by the way

3116
02:24:58,700 --> 02:24:56,040
so the reason that this is such a

3117
02:25:01,130 --> 02:24:58,710
believable scenario I mean aside from

3118
02:25:03,110 --> 02:25:01,140
the evidence which is the dominant thing

3119
02:25:06,050 --> 02:25:03,120
but also the fact that this fits in with

3120
02:25:09,290 --> 02:25:06,060
the wider pattern of US intelligence

3121
02:25:11,090 --> 02:25:09,300
community COINTELPRO and Mockingbird

3122
02:25:13,160 --> 02:25:11,100
type operations which have been going on

3123
02:25:15,500 --> 02:25:13,170
throughout the entire since World War

3124
02:25:17,360 --> 02:25:15,510
two like we know this has happened this

3125
02:25:20,000 --> 02:25:17,370
is how the United States national

3126
02:25:24,350 --> 02:25:20,010
security apparatus operates it's what

3127
02:25:28,940 --> 02:25:24,360
they do they infiltrate they derail they

3128
02:25:30,830 --> 02:25:28,950
ridicule they keep their opponents or

3129
02:25:32,810 --> 02:25:30,840
who they believe are opponents off their

3130
02:25:34,370 --> 02:25:32,820
game to the maximum extent possible and

3131
02:25:36,410 --> 02:25:34,380
you know what they're really good at

3132
02:25:36,710 --> 02:25:36,420
what they do they're really good at what

3133
02:25:40,550 --> 02:25:36,720
they do

3134
02:25:42,469 --> 02:25:40,560
so it's that is why like if we're gonna

3135
02:25:44,960 --> 02:25:42,479
get into this game and we're gonna fight

3136
02:25:49,730 --> 02:25:44,970
this battle it is absolutely critical

3137
02:25:53,510 --> 02:25:49,740
for us to be as clear-headed as rational

3138
02:25:55,580 --> 02:25:53,520
and non emotional and Here I am saying

3139
02:25:58,790 --> 02:25:55,590
and raising my voice but not emotional

3140
02:26:02,810 --> 02:25:58,800
as we can be so that we we keep our

3141
02:26:05,780 --> 02:26:02,820
heads because this is like there's a lot

3142
02:26:07,790 --> 02:26:05,790
going on around us here and when again

3143
02:26:10,850 --> 02:26:07,800
just to circle back to where we started

3144
02:26:12,320 --> 02:26:10,860
here to the the claims of people like

3145
02:26:14,390 --> 02:26:12,330
Corey Goode

3146
02:26:16,550 --> 02:26:14,400
you know the whole trademarking thing to

3147
02:26:19,850 --> 02:26:16,560
me is almost like a sideshow it's an

3148
02:26:21,620 --> 02:26:19,860
embarrassment it's sorted and you know

3149
02:26:23,240 --> 02:26:21,630
it's too bad for him and everyone else

3150
02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:23,250
involved that this comes out because it

3151
02:26:26,810 --> 02:26:25,050
doesn't make anyone look good that's for

3152
02:26:30,080 --> 02:26:26,820
sure but the real important thing about

3153
02:26:32,300 --> 02:26:30,090
this is that it's been a distraction and

3154
02:26:34,610 --> 02:26:32,310
it's been something that's made this

3155
02:26:37,360 --> 02:26:34,620
community run around in circles in the

3156
02:26:40,600 --> 02:26:37,370
most unproductive way

3157
02:26:43,270 --> 02:26:40,610
and it has been utterly divisive it has

3158
02:26:44,680 --> 02:26:43,280
not been good for unity if that's what

3159
02:26:48,100 --> 02:26:44,690
people care about it's been a

3160
02:26:50,920 --> 02:26:48,110
distraction and I don't know that it's

3161
02:26:56,170 --> 02:26:50,930
an op but it sure looks like what it

3162
02:26:58,930 --> 02:26:56,180
feels feels that feels AAPIs absolutely

3163
02:27:00,460 --> 02:26:58,940
does and not everyone in you know look

3164
02:27:02,170 --> 02:27:00,470
I'm gonna give him the benefit of the

3165
02:27:05,051 --> 02:27:02,180
doubt like I don't I don't know that he

3166
02:27:08,530 --> 02:27:05,061
knows he's in an OP but people are often

3167
02:27:12,040 --> 02:27:08,540
useful for the intelligence community

3168
02:27:15,220 --> 02:27:12,050
without even knowing like there's always

3169
02:27:17,080 --> 02:27:15,230
someone out there who's got to like want

3170
02:27:20,440 --> 02:27:17,090
to make their name wanna be famous want

3171
02:27:22,810 --> 02:27:20,450
to do whatever and by doing so they play

3172
02:27:25,470 --> 02:27:22,820
into the hands of those organizations

3173
02:27:29,440 --> 02:27:25,480
that are looking to bring disrepute on

3174
02:27:32,261 --> 02:27:29,450
on a particular subject so you know it

3175
02:27:34,660 --> 02:27:32,271
could be that I don't knowingly does

3176
02:27:40,511 --> 02:27:34,670
these things I don't know ego sucks

3177
02:27:42,850 --> 02:27:40,521
you go to some well you know I know we

3178
02:27:45,910 --> 02:27:42,860
that's what I'm trying to say you know

3179
02:27:48,700 --> 02:27:45,920
you know at DEFCON and if you've never

3180
02:27:51,160 --> 02:27:48,710
been to a DEFCON Richard in Las Vegas

3181
02:27:54,100 --> 02:27:51,170
the hackers conference you need to go

3182
02:27:55,841 --> 02:27:54,110
and one and hackers on planet earth

3183
02:27:57,551 --> 02:27:55,851
right there in New York you should go to

3184
02:28:02,051 --> 02:27:57,561
that one at the Roosevelt but that being

3185
02:28:06,280 --> 02:28:02,061
said they play a game there at DEFCON

3186
02:28:08,830 --> 02:28:06,290
called spot the Fed right and they play

3187
02:28:11,261 --> 02:28:08,840
it and the feds are all into it you get

3188
02:28:13,390 --> 02:28:11,271
a spot the Fed t-shirt where they

3189
02:28:14,770 --> 02:28:13,400
they'll stop the conference they'll you

3190
02:28:17,710 --> 02:28:14,780
know a thousand people in the audience

3191
02:28:20,261 --> 02:28:17,720
they'll stop and play stop the spot the

3192
02:28:24,160 --> 02:28:20,271
Fed well though bring up it they

3193
02:28:25,841 --> 02:28:24,170
literally will say anybody here can

3194
02:28:26,920 --> 02:28:25,851
point out a Fed somebody's going to

3195
02:28:30,130 --> 02:28:26,930
raise their hand they stand up they

3196
02:28:32,500 --> 02:28:30,140
point over it that dudes a Fed they'll

3197
02:28:34,600 --> 02:28:32,510
make that guy stand up they'll bring

3198
02:28:37,810 --> 02:28:34,610
them up onto the stage and they'll play

3199
02:28:40,690 --> 02:28:37,820
five questions right and and and and

3200
02:28:43,570 --> 02:28:40,700
find out now the feds they don't mind it

3201
02:28:46,450 --> 02:28:43,580
if you get busted and you are a Fed you

3202
02:28:48,850 --> 02:28:46,460
get a t-shirt I was I was I was spotted

3203
02:28:50,011 --> 02:28:48,860
at Def Con they've fallen had fun right

3204
02:28:55,381 --> 02:28:50,021
we should

3205
02:28:57,720 --> 02:28:55,391
contact in the desert Oh God

3206
02:29:00,600 --> 02:28:57,730
right I think people do it people love

3207
02:29:02,400 --> 02:29:00,610
to do it why I'm thinking you know I

3208
02:29:05,341 --> 02:29:02,410
hope DEFCON doesn't have it trademarked

3209
02:29:08,551 --> 02:29:05,351
I think it's like our field I know we're

3210
02:29:12,171 --> 02:29:08,561
running out of time yes the UFO field

3211
02:29:16,501 --> 02:29:12,181
has become a kind of a comical

3212
02:29:19,770 --> 02:29:16,511
egomaniacal narcissistic cultish sort of

3213
02:29:21,060 --> 02:29:19,780
an embarrassment in so many ways and i'm

3214
02:29:22,291 --> 02:29:21,070
not gonna get it to other names it's

3215
02:29:24,421 --> 02:29:22,301
like well I don't want to have the wars

3216
02:29:26,671 --> 02:29:24,431
you know I'm not into it but anyone who

3217
02:29:31,081 --> 02:29:26,681
knows the field knows like they just

3218
02:29:32,671 --> 02:29:31,091
know and when you turn yourself into you

3219
02:29:35,220 --> 02:29:32,681
know the next latest greatest Savior

3220
02:29:38,940 --> 02:29:35,230
then I think people need to be very very

3221
02:29:42,621 --> 02:29:38,950
suspicious of you know one is the Savior

3222
02:29:46,011 --> 02:29:42,631
and we are truly in this together and

3223
02:29:48,961 --> 02:29:46,021
unfortunately though there's this I

3224
02:29:51,150 --> 02:29:48,971
think maybe it's part of human nature we

3225
02:29:54,871 --> 02:29:51,160
want people want to find someone who's

3226
02:29:57,121 --> 02:29:54,881
got all the answers and nobody does that

3227
02:29:58,560 --> 02:29:57,131
bad nobody does Richard

3228
02:30:01,530 --> 02:29:58,570
nobody knows always there's always

3229
02:30:02,970 --> 02:30:01,540
people willing to be that person there's

3230
02:30:05,430 --> 02:30:02,980
always people out there willing to be

3231
02:30:07,560 --> 02:30:05,440
the person who pretends to have all the

3232
02:30:10,230 --> 02:30:07,570
answers and that's unfortunate yeah

3233
02:30:13,110 --> 02:30:10,240
nobody knows you know nobody out of

3234
02:30:15,421 --> 02:30:13,120
everybody Richard in our community one

3235
02:30:18,991 --> 02:30:15,431
of the craziest best quotes I ever

3236
02:30:21,661 --> 02:30:19,001
gotten on this show was from Giorgio

3237
02:30:23,430 --> 02:30:21,671
tsoukalos and I and I and I quote him

3238
02:30:25,110 --> 02:30:23,440
all the time and this is what he said I

3239
02:30:28,201 --> 02:30:25,120
think was last year maybe it was two

3240
02:30:32,251 --> 02:30:28,211
years ago but he said on this program he

3241
02:30:35,820 --> 02:30:32,261
said Jimmy when et lands and we start

3242
02:30:37,831 --> 02:30:35,830
communicating and we're talking and we

3243
02:30:40,530 --> 02:30:37,841
are able to get the answers that we seek

3244
02:30:46,470 --> 02:30:40,540
we will find out one thing that we were

3245
02:30:48,900 --> 02:30:46,480
all wrong you need to stop and just

3246
02:30:51,871 --> 02:30:48,910
think about the significance of that

3247
02:30:54,381 --> 02:30:51,881
statement right and and I think he's

3248
02:30:56,820 --> 02:30:54,391
spot on the money I think he is spot on

3249
02:30:59,011 --> 02:30:56,830
everybody I'm not so sure we'll have to

3250
02:31:02,870 --> 02:30:59,021
we'll have to revisit that yeah well you

3251
02:31:05,179 --> 02:31:02,880
know was it I'm pretty confident and

3252
02:31:07,400 --> 02:31:05,189
I think that's a pretty safe bet that we

3253
02:31:09,469 --> 02:31:07,410
all want certainly there's certainly a

3254
02:31:13,580 --> 02:31:09,479
lot that I don't know that no one knows

3255
02:31:17,270 --> 02:31:13,590
and yes I will agree with that but I do

3256
02:31:20,270 --> 02:31:17,280
think that we are in fact making some

3257
02:31:22,280 --> 02:31:20,280
strides in our understanding of what is

3258
02:31:25,810 --> 02:31:22,290
going on maybe slowly maybe haltingly

3259
02:31:28,940 --> 02:31:25,820
but I do think we have the capability to

3260
02:31:30,830 --> 02:31:28,950
to pierce through this most amazing it's

3261
02:31:32,960 --> 02:31:30,840
the most amazing of mysteries is this

3262
02:31:35,030 --> 02:31:32,970
UFO phenomenon and even what we call

3263
02:31:36,440 --> 02:31:35,040
UFOs it's more than about unidentified

3264
02:31:39,860 --> 02:31:36,450
flying objects that's just like a little

3265
02:31:42,800 --> 02:31:39,870
placeholder for this amazing thing that

3266
02:31:44,870 --> 02:31:42,810
we find ourselves exploring but I

3267
02:31:47,420 --> 02:31:44,880
believe that we have the ability if we

3268
02:31:49,730 --> 02:31:47,430
trust our our reason if we trust our

3269
02:31:51,740 --> 02:31:49,740
investigative capabilities to continue

3270
02:31:53,990 --> 02:31:51,750
to make genuine progress in it and to

3271
02:31:55,429 --> 02:31:54,000
figure at least a few things out well

3272
02:31:59,090 --> 02:31:55,439
what do you I would have thought that we

3273
02:32:01,280 --> 02:31:59,100
had disclosure in in 2018

3274
02:32:03,590 --> 02:32:01,290
it didn't happen we had a pretty good

3275
02:32:06,020 --> 02:32:03,600
momentum there at the end of about 2017

3276
02:32:08,270 --> 02:32:06,030
and seem like things were about to bust

3277
02:32:10,160 --> 02:32:08,280
wide open I still feel pretty confident

3278
02:32:12,290 --> 02:32:10,170
that we're on the edge of something

3279
02:32:16,730 --> 02:32:12,300
pretty big here exploding what do you

3280
02:32:19,280 --> 02:32:16,740
think disclosure in 2019 I go back and

3281
02:32:21,770 --> 02:32:19,290
forth on it I feel like there actually

3282
02:32:24,230 --> 02:32:21,780
is I I sense this is only my feeling

3283
02:32:28,070 --> 02:32:24,240
that there is a kind of speeding up a

3284
02:32:30,500 --> 02:32:28,080
little bit I do think so I think I think

3285
02:32:32,960 --> 02:32:30,510
there's this it's a greater and greater

3286
02:32:37,040 --> 02:32:32,970
amount of pressure that is coming from

3287
02:32:39,940 --> 02:32:37,050
below from us that those people who have

3288
02:32:43,929 --> 02:32:39,950
got this information who got the secret

3289
02:32:47,150 --> 02:32:43,939
increasingly are bit by bit or maybe

3290
02:32:51,020 --> 02:32:47,160
grudgingly responding to but I also

3291
02:32:53,480 --> 02:32:51,030
think that you know there are secret

3292
02:32:55,910 --> 02:32:53,490
keepers and I would say they probably

3293
02:32:57,440 --> 02:32:55,920
have a very good plan to hold on to this

3294
02:33:00,139 --> 02:32:57,450
secret and control over it for as long

3295
02:33:02,000 --> 02:33:00,149
as possible maybe five years maybe 10

3296
02:33:04,219 --> 02:33:02,010
years maybe 20 years like as long as

3297
02:33:05,870 --> 02:33:04,229
they can they're gonna do it because

3298
02:33:07,969 --> 02:33:05,880
it's in their interest to drag this out

3299
02:33:11,150 --> 02:33:07,979
for them as long as possible because the

3300
02:33:14,300 --> 02:33:11,160
repercussions of a true disclosure all

3301
02:33:16,219 --> 02:33:14,310
right and not even a complete disclosure

3302
02:33:18,019 --> 02:33:16,229
just a true one like if

3303
02:33:20,179 --> 02:33:18,029
if the president were to say yes there

3304
02:33:24,279 --> 02:33:20,189
are aliens here like that if that were

3305
02:33:27,830 --> 02:33:24,289
to happen the repercussions would be

3306
02:33:29,899 --> 02:33:27,840
profound and many and multifaceted and

3307
02:33:33,559 --> 02:33:29,909
would affect every aspect of our society

3308
02:33:36,200 --> 02:33:33,569
and so it's too unstable it and and

3309
02:33:37,670 --> 02:33:36,210
those people who are responsible who

3310
02:33:39,469 --> 02:33:37,680
think they're responsible I think they

3311
02:33:41,479 --> 02:33:39,479
could never give up the secret willingly

3312
02:33:43,010 --> 02:33:41,489
this is why I never believed ever that

3313
02:33:46,040 --> 02:33:43,020
John Podesta or Hillary Clinton were

3314
02:33:48,559 --> 02:33:46,050
ever going to be disclosure like if

3315
02:33:50,269 --> 02:33:48,569
Hillary had become president that she

3316
02:33:52,340 --> 02:33:50,279
would be a disclosure president as Marie

3317
02:33:54,349 --> 02:33:52,350
Kimmell had said I will never believe

3318
02:33:58,399 --> 02:33:54,359
that I never I don't think that that was

3319
02:33:59,929 --> 02:33:58,409
ever legit because they may be criminals

3320
02:34:01,760 --> 02:33:59,939
like all the politicians up there are

3321
02:34:05,590 --> 02:34:01,770
but they're not dumb like they

3322
02:34:08,269 --> 02:34:05,600
understand that this is a very very

3323
02:34:11,630 --> 02:34:08,279
volatile subject and I firmly believe

3324
02:34:13,580 --> 02:34:11,640
all they were doing was just recognizing

3325
02:34:16,219 --> 02:34:13,590
by 2016 that there was a bit of a UFO

3326
02:34:19,189 --> 02:34:16,229
vote they were playing to the crowd they

3327
02:34:21,260 --> 02:34:19,199
were don't UFOs have become cool enough

3328
02:34:23,330 --> 02:34:21,270
that you could talk about it on Jimmy

3329
02:34:26,750 --> 02:34:23,340
Kimmel and I think they just recognize

3330
02:34:28,279 --> 02:34:26,760
that you're going to be let's talk about

3331
02:34:30,319 --> 02:34:28,289
a few things real quick before we say

3332
02:34:31,670 --> 02:34:30,329
goodnight what are you doing this

3333
02:34:37,550 --> 02:34:31,680
weekend are you gonna go hang out with

3334
02:34:40,370 --> 02:34:37,560
some folks I'm crazy sitting right here

3335
02:34:43,849 --> 02:34:40,380
and she's she runs my schedule so I

3336
02:34:46,069 --> 02:34:43,859
think I think we're gonna be here my day

3337
02:34:47,929 --> 02:34:46,079
every day we wake up we go to our

3338
02:34:49,399 --> 02:34:47,939
website I have a website Richard alum

3339
02:34:51,559 --> 02:34:49,409
members and I'm just gonna say it it's a

3340
02:34:53,000 --> 02:34:51,569
great place to go we work at every

3341
02:34:55,939 --> 02:34:53,010
single day

3342
02:34:59,090 --> 02:34:55,949
it never stops I thought alien Con was

3343
02:35:05,989 --> 02:34:59,100
this weekend in Baltimore oh not this

3344
02:35:08,599 --> 02:35:05,999
weekend oh my first alien Con so this

3345
02:35:11,029 --> 02:35:08,609
will be fun yeah okay so that's that and

3346
02:35:13,790 --> 02:35:11,039
then I thought it was this weekend it

3347
02:35:15,620 --> 02:35:13,800
goes to show you what I know and then

3348
02:35:17,979 --> 02:35:15,630
I'm gonna do yard work you're gonna do

3349
02:35:21,219 --> 02:35:17,989
yard that's what I did this weekend and

3350
02:35:24,170 --> 02:35:21,229
then let's see what are you doing in a

3351
02:35:26,540 --> 02:35:24,180
2019 conscious life Expo you're coming

3352
02:35:29,219 --> 02:35:26,550
out for that no no I've not been invited

3353
02:35:32,670 --> 02:35:29,229
for that and that's fine I will be doing

3354
02:35:34,380 --> 02:35:32,680
contact in a desert I've got to finish

3355
02:35:35,960 --> 02:35:34,390
up my little application for that but

3356
02:35:38,939 --> 02:35:35,970
they want me out there for that and

3357
02:35:44,519 --> 02:35:38,949
we're Tracy and I are doing an event in

3358
02:35:46,889 --> 02:35:44,529
Manchester UK in July July oh man

3359
02:35:49,830 --> 02:35:46,899
that's out there I think we're doing a

3360
02:35:52,950 --> 02:35:49,840
couple of other things I honestly here's

3361
02:35:55,319 --> 02:35:52,960
my thing like I I'm trying I want to

3362
02:35:57,899 --> 02:35:55,329
travel a little less than I have in the

3363
02:36:00,450 --> 02:35:57,909
pass its I there's there's writing

3364
02:36:02,519 --> 02:36:00,460
there's work I got to do and the thing

3365
02:36:05,939 --> 02:36:02,529
is like when you travel I know about

3366
02:36:07,380 --> 02:36:05,949
other people like when I travel I mean

3367
02:36:10,109 --> 02:36:07,390
you I just can't write I can't get

3368
02:36:12,109 --> 02:36:10,119
anything done it's very very tough and I

3369
02:36:14,489 --> 02:36:12,119
I learned from the travels I gained

3370
02:36:16,170 --> 02:36:14,499
knowledge from other people when I

3371
02:36:19,279 --> 02:36:16,180
travel people who attend these

3372
02:36:21,960 --> 02:36:19,289
conferences the attendees are the real

3373
02:36:24,750 --> 02:36:21,970
education and they always have been for

3374
02:36:26,040 --> 02:36:24,760
me so I gained from it but I also it's

3375
02:36:29,250 --> 02:36:26,050
hard for me to get a lot of fresh work

3376
02:36:31,590 --> 02:36:29,260
done so I'm trying to hunker down and

3377
02:36:33,840 --> 02:36:31,600
get some projects done it's a very

3378
02:36:36,960 --> 02:36:33,850
important for me personally well thank

3379
02:36:39,269 --> 02:36:36,970
you so much and an alien con is coming

3380
02:36:42,660 --> 02:36:39,279
up in November and I was kind of joking

3381
02:36:45,840 --> 02:36:42,670
about that but the thing is Richard and

3382
02:36:47,880 --> 02:36:45,850
I totally agree with you two years ago

3383
02:36:51,330 --> 02:36:47,890
three years ago Reid and I were doing 12

3384
02:36:54,750 --> 02:36:51,340
14 events a year and it just got to be

3385
02:36:58,170 --> 02:36:54,760
too much there was everything else that

3386
02:37:00,960 --> 02:36:58,180
we wanted to accomplish for an entire

3387
02:37:02,309 --> 02:37:00,970
year didn't get done and we had that we

3388
02:37:04,590 --> 02:37:02,319
had to back up so you should do the same

3389
02:37:07,139 --> 02:37:04,600
thing just slow it down a little bit and

3390
02:37:09,179 --> 02:37:07,149
so you can finish a false-flag and I

3391
02:37:10,170 --> 02:37:09,189
don't have to bother you about it no

3392
02:37:12,719 --> 02:37:10,180
it's true

3393
02:37:14,819 --> 02:37:12,729
I've got other projects that are that

3394
02:37:17,189 --> 02:37:14,829
are calling me the conference is you

3395
02:37:19,050 --> 02:37:17,199
know they're seductive the good ones are

3396
02:37:21,899 --> 02:37:19,060
very very nice to go to they're fun and

3397
02:37:23,340 --> 02:37:21,909
I'm not gonna deny it no duh and there's

3398
02:37:25,260 --> 02:37:23,350
folks out there who really like to [\h__\h]

3399
02:37:27,599 --> 02:37:25,270
about the conference doesn't make bill

3400
02:37:30,090 --> 02:37:27,609
but the fact is like they would want to

3401
02:37:31,620 --> 02:37:30,100
go because they're enjoyable you get to

3402
02:37:35,340 --> 02:37:31,630
meet a lot of really great people and

3403
02:37:37,200 --> 02:37:35,350
it's definitely fun but the thing is and

3404
02:37:39,929 --> 02:37:37,210
and and they're all so good and that

3405
02:37:41,880 --> 02:37:39,939
they forced me to to develop fresh ideas

3406
02:37:43,050 --> 02:37:41,890
like if I'm asked to give a presentation

3407
02:37:44,429 --> 02:37:43,060
like I

3408
02:37:45,479 --> 02:37:44,439
I've got to really think things through

3409
02:37:49,649 --> 02:37:45,489
and I don't like giving the same

3410
02:37:52,170 --> 02:37:49,659
presentations so it forces me into fresh

3411
02:37:54,029 --> 02:37:52,180
thinking which is is good for me so it's

3412
02:37:57,449 --> 02:37:54,039
not like nothing gets done a lot gets

3413
02:38:00,510 --> 02:37:57,459
done but writing on on projects that

3414
02:38:02,639 --> 02:38:00,520
I've been working on like a conference

3415
02:38:06,059 --> 02:38:02,649
will take a good week out of my life

3416
02:38:07,649 --> 02:38:06,069
like you know prep for it getting things

3417
02:38:09,989 --> 02:38:07,659
ready for that coming back jet lag

3418
02:38:11,489 --> 02:38:09,999
whatever so it does it takes a little

3419
02:38:13,109 --> 02:38:11,499
bit out and I'm not trying to get

3420
02:38:14,969 --> 02:38:13,119
sympathy but it is it's just one of

3421
02:38:17,309 --> 02:38:14,979
those things and it's just part of the

3422
02:38:20,159 --> 02:38:17,319
game but I'm trying to step back just a

3423
02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:20,169
little bit just a little bit to get a

3424
02:38:24,119 --> 02:38:21,850
little bit more work done thank you so

3425
02:38:26,639 --> 02:38:24,129
much Richard and give my best to Tracy

3426
02:38:29,069 --> 02:38:26,649
be safe and be well yes sir thank you

3427
02:38:32,849 --> 02:38:29,079
Richard bleep and Dolan go trade market

3428
02:38:34,939 --> 02:38:32,859
I'll talk to you Richard great night

3429
02:38:36,960 --> 02:38:34,949
fade to black I'm Meryl stupid Church

3430
02:38:38,819 --> 02:38:36,970
I'll be right back after this short

3431
02:38:42,880 --> 02:38:38,829
break I'll open up the phone lines just

3432
02:38:50,000 --> 02:38:45,110
everybody's rock alpha the mental guard

3433
02:38:55,830 --> 02:38:53,280
this is kera digital broadcasting

3434
02:38:59,070 --> 02:38:55,840
station Salt Lake City Utah

3435
02:39:00,780 --> 02:38:59,080
Van Buren Arkansas poor water quality is

3436
02:39:01,801 --> 02:39:00,790
a major health issue and it's only

3437
02:39:03,690 --> 02:39:01,811
getting worse

3438
02:39:05,520 --> 02:39:03,700
municipalities can't keep up standards

3439
02:39:08,640 --> 02:39:05,530
have dropped and pollutants are

3440
02:39:10,470 --> 02:39:08,650
increasing where does it all end it ends

3441
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02:43:03,629 --> 02:43:01,029
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3534
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3537
02:43:42,030 --> 02:43:39,750
welcome back fade to black I want to

3538
02:43:48,900 --> 02:43:42,040
thank Richard Dolan Richard bleep and

3539
02:43:51,511 --> 02:43:48,910
Dolan that was a great conversation all

3540
02:43:56,551 --> 02:43:51,521
of it and I've opened up the phone lines

3541
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3 to 3 to 5 5 0 for 5 or 3 to 3 2 7 5 9

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got enough time for a couple of phone

3544
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calls here before we got to say

3545
02:44:11,220 --> 02:44:07,510
goodnight tomorrow night Laura

3546
02:44:13,440 --> 02:44:11,230
Eisenhower is going to be here get ready

3547
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for that too as well and with that let's

3548
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go to area code 702 you're up next on

3549
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fade to black who's calling I reckon

3550
02:44:24,810 --> 02:44:21,970
that's my ace Mike all right this is

3551
02:44:28,020 --> 02:44:24,820
John Richard's not here yeah that's

3552
02:44:30,511 --> 02:44:28,030
right yeah Jimmy I'm first thing I just

3553
02:44:33,210 --> 02:44:30,521
want to give you like crazy crops on the

3554
02:44:36,360 --> 02:44:33,220
way you do interviews because you always

3555
02:44:38,130 --> 02:44:36,370
bring your knowledge but you never

3556
02:44:41,310 --> 02:44:38,140
really bring your ego you're like you

3557
02:44:44,400 --> 02:44:41,320
have this like curiosity and and I love

3558
02:44:47,600 --> 02:44:44,410
to hear you treat your guests that way

3559
02:44:54,511 --> 02:44:50,190
hello yeah I'm here I'm listening to you

3560
02:44:56,850 --> 02:44:54,521
oh okay okay sorry so I was listening to

3561
02:44:58,680 --> 02:44:56,860
to Richard and and there's something

3562
02:45:00,870 --> 02:44:58,690
that I've been trying to articulate in

3563
02:45:05,910 --> 02:45:00,880
my brain for a long time and it really

3564
02:45:09,450 --> 02:45:05,920
kind of came to me when when people

3565
02:45:15,210 --> 02:45:09,460
approach these kind of subjects it's

3566
02:45:19,230 --> 02:45:15,220
almost a totally binary argument like if

3567
02:45:22,110 --> 02:45:19,240
you are willing to believe that there is

3568
02:45:25,950 --> 02:45:22,120
something going on then you're willing

3569
02:45:29,250 --> 02:45:25,960
to believe that there is a lot of really

3570
02:45:30,511 --> 02:45:29,260
crazy stuff going on you know and if

3571
02:45:31,950 --> 02:45:30,521
you're not willing to believe that

3572
02:45:34,290 --> 02:45:31,960
there's something going on then you

3573
02:45:36,570 --> 02:45:34,300
almost dismiss everything out of hand

3574
02:45:39,750 --> 02:45:36,580
and so once you start going down the

3575
02:45:41,370 --> 02:45:39,760
rabbit hole then you can really go a

3576
02:45:42,750 --> 02:45:41,380
long way down the rabbit hole but it's

3577
02:45:44,580 --> 02:45:42,760
like you have to take that first step

3578
02:45:46,500 --> 02:45:44,590
down the rabbit hole and that's all I

3579
02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:46,510
just as I was listening to Richard it

3580
02:45:50,261 --> 02:45:48,010
really occurred to me because I have a

3581
02:45:54,131 --> 02:45:50,271
lot of friends that that think I'm

3582
02:45:56,801 --> 02:45:54,141
sort of crazy but it's it really is like

3583
02:45:59,020 --> 02:45:56,811
the first step is the one step that that

3584
02:46:01,030 --> 02:45:59,030
matters the most and after that you can

3585
02:46:02,951 --> 02:46:01,040
really take a whole bunch of steps after

3586
02:46:05,530 --> 02:46:02,961
that and that door really I just wanted

3587
02:46:07,001 --> 02:46:05,540
to share that inside Richard I there's

3588
02:46:08,051 --> 02:46:07,011
something that he said and I can't even

3589
02:46:09,850 --> 02:46:08,061
remember what it was that there's

3590
02:46:11,890 --> 02:46:09,860
something he said that sort of made me

3591
02:46:13,150 --> 02:46:11,900
realize that's really what it is you

3592
02:46:13,780 --> 02:46:13,160
just have to be willing to take that

3593
02:46:16,121 --> 02:46:13,790
first step

3594
02:46:17,530 --> 02:46:16,131
yeah you have to you have to and thank

3595
02:46:19,150 --> 02:46:17,540
you for the phone call I really

3596
02:46:22,780 --> 02:46:19,160
appreciate it

3597
02:46:29,921 --> 02:46:22,790
one of the aspects to all of this is

3598
02:46:32,890 --> 02:46:29,931
that when you when you witness something

3599
02:46:34,600 --> 02:46:32,900
and it doesn't matter what it is it

3600
02:46:37,480 --> 02:46:34,610
doesn't matter it could be something in

3601
02:46:40,451 --> 02:46:37,490
the sky it could be something in your

3602
02:46:42,551 --> 02:46:40,461
room it could be an or whatever it is

3603
02:46:44,371 --> 02:46:42,561
it's it's just a but once you see

3604
02:46:48,970 --> 02:46:44,381
something that you can't explain

3605
02:46:52,530 --> 02:46:48,980
and you take things to another level it

3606
02:46:55,810 --> 02:46:52,540
is you understand at that point that

3607
02:46:57,430 --> 02:46:55,820
things could be very very crazy now look

3608
02:47:01,720 --> 02:46:57,440
I've seen stuff in the skies I've seen

3609
02:47:04,270 --> 02:47:01,730
this that that that that orb that I saw

3610
02:47:06,341 --> 02:47:04,280
up at East SETI that flat orb that came

3611
02:47:07,900 --> 02:47:06,351
out from behind the trees and was out

3612
02:47:08,350 --> 02:47:07,910
against the field out there in the

3613
02:47:10,961 --> 02:47:08,360
distance

3614
02:47:13,600 --> 02:47:10,971
look I've that is one of the craziest

3615
02:47:17,980 --> 02:47:13,610
things that I've ever had come out of my

3616
02:47:20,650 --> 02:47:17,990
mouth and I'm trying to tell people what

3617
02:47:23,411 --> 02:47:20,660
I witnessed everybody else did too I

3618
02:47:26,140 --> 02:47:23,421
wasn't the only one that saw this but

3619
02:47:28,570 --> 02:47:26,150
wait a minute here that's not supposed

3620
02:47:32,951 --> 02:47:28,580
to be happening in in real life is it a

3621
02:47:35,501 --> 02:47:32,961
big flat 50-foot flat not even a sphere

3622
02:47:39,041 --> 02:47:35,511
a flat or sitting out of the edge of the

3623
02:47:43,301 --> 02:47:39,051
field it just appeared and then went

3624
02:47:46,301 --> 02:47:43,311
away now look I can't explain that but

3625
02:47:48,341 --> 02:47:46,311
if that is real then what else out there

3626
02:47:51,280 --> 02:47:48,351
that is not supposed to be happening

3627
02:47:54,551 --> 02:47:51,290
actually happening and that's where you

3628
02:47:56,711 --> 02:47:54,561
just you you it's not a leap of faith

3629
02:47:59,051 --> 02:47:56,721
it's not about faith that is something

3630
02:48:01,241 --> 02:47:59,061
that is actually existing out out in

3631
02:48:03,320 --> 02:48:01,251
front of me so I don't know you know I

3632
02:48:06,261 --> 02:48:03,330
don't know that's why I list

3633
02:48:07,761 --> 02:48:06,271
to everybody I can't really say what is

3634
02:48:08,511 --> 02:48:07,771
real and what is not anymore let's go

3635
02:48:10,790 --> 02:48:08,521
back to the phones

3636
02:48:13,940 --> 02:48:10,800
area code seven to zero you're up next

3637
02:48:17,660 --> 02:48:13,950
I'm fade to black hey what's up Jim Ann

3638
02:48:20,540 --> 02:48:17,670
who's this my name is Mark I'm from

3639
02:48:24,080 --> 02:48:20,550
Colorado first-time caller man hey Mark

3640
02:48:26,810 --> 02:48:24,090
how are you good I just wanted to in the

3641
02:48:28,430 --> 02:48:26,820
spirit of taking that first step I

3642
02:48:30,110 --> 02:48:28,440
wanted to share my story with you real

3643
02:48:32,301 --> 02:48:30,120
quick if I could yeah we got a comma

3644
02:48:34,940 --> 02:48:32,311
minutes here before the top of the hour

3645
02:48:36,350 --> 02:48:34,950
go ahead mark real quick yeah about four

3646
02:48:38,410 --> 02:48:36,360
years ago I was driving down the road

3647
02:48:41,480 --> 02:48:38,420
and I saw what looks like a helicopter

3648
02:48:44,960 --> 02:48:41,490
except for I didn't hear anything so I

3649
02:48:46,940 --> 02:48:44,970
was sitting at a stoplight looking at it

3650
02:48:49,340 --> 02:48:46,950
like what the hell like it's not doing

3651
02:48:51,740 --> 02:48:49,350
anything so I pulled her over and I was

3652
02:48:54,560 --> 02:48:51,750
just watching this thing and it seems

3653
02:48:57,350 --> 02:48:54,570
like know that I was watching it it

3654
02:48:59,960 --> 02:48:57,360
turned into a star it looked like like

3655
02:49:03,020 --> 02:48:59,970
it kind of faded and turned into a star

3656
02:49:05,120 --> 02:49:03,030
in effect that's what it looked like and

3657
02:49:08,120 --> 02:49:05,130
I was looking at it like nah man you're

3658
02:49:12,890 --> 02:49:08,130
not a star I saw you moving and about a

3659
02:49:15,670 --> 02:49:12,900
minute later it like shot across the sky

3660
02:49:17,810 --> 02:49:15,680
like the Starship Enterprise and

3661
02:49:21,430 --> 02:49:17,820
disappeared I don't know if it was like

3662
02:49:23,840 --> 02:49:21,440
some secret program or what it was but

3663
02:49:25,460 --> 02:49:23,850
definitely something see and that's all

3664
02:49:27,620 --> 02:49:25,470
it takes you know it's something like

3665
02:49:30,110 --> 02:49:27,630
that where you go okay well things are

3666
02:49:31,670 --> 02:49:30,120
not what they seem to be you know and

3667
02:49:34,970 --> 02:49:31,680
that's all it takes and then you just go

3668
02:49:37,280 --> 02:49:34,980
and question everything and and and and

3669
02:49:38,360 --> 02:49:37,290
start to research but I I'm totally with

3670
02:49:41,090 --> 02:49:38,370
you that must have been a pretty fun

3671
02:49:43,100 --> 02:49:41,100
thing to go through because man it was

3672
02:49:45,470 --> 02:49:43,110
work nine point five until another Hey

3673
02:49:47,570 --> 02:49:45,480
that thing disappeared and Mark that's

3674
02:49:49,690 --> 02:49:47,580
an epiphany that's a life-changing thing

3675
02:49:52,430 --> 02:49:49,700
and thank you for sharing that with us

3676
02:49:53,900 --> 02:49:52,440
yeah you got him in peace yeah thank you

3677
02:49:54,170 --> 02:49:53,910
Mark that's a great phone call right

3678
02:49:57,680 --> 02:49:54,180
there

3679
02:50:01,100 --> 02:49:57,690
let's okay you know what I'm just gonna

3680
02:50:07,070 --> 02:50:01,110
do this just because hey Eric how are

3681
02:50:08,930 --> 02:50:07,080
you good Eric yes I know how are you are

3682
02:50:12,261 --> 02:50:08,940
we live yeah we're live right now I

3683
02:50:14,540 --> 02:50:12,271
brought you straight in yeah I'm doing

3684
02:50:16,250 --> 02:50:14,550
good I'm kicking back watching the

3685
02:50:17,059 --> 02:50:16,260
Lakers like two minutes to go in the

3686
02:50:19,279 --> 02:50:17,069
game of the tired

3687
02:50:24,139 --> 02:50:19,289
it could maybe they'll win their first

3688
02:50:25,819 --> 02:50:24,149
game any fights not yet not yet okay

3689
02:50:27,349 --> 02:50:25,829
good good so if they lose they'll

3690
02:50:28,880 --> 02:50:27,359
probably be a fight I think please gonna

3691
02:50:30,290 --> 02:50:28,890
come out of the crowd and just just

3692
02:50:32,599 --> 02:50:30,300
start taking guitar and whacking people

3693
02:50:34,069 --> 02:50:32,609
yeah right on right on

3694
02:50:36,139 --> 02:50:34,079
so what do you think about the

3695
02:50:41,359 --> 02:50:36,149
conversation tonight with a mr. Richard

3696
02:50:43,519 --> 02:50:41,369
Dolan I thought was great but okay so um

3697
02:50:44,719 --> 02:50:43,529
I'm just gonna ask the question that I

3698
02:50:47,899 --> 02:50:44,729
bet probably more than a half your

3699
02:50:49,880 --> 02:50:47,909
listeners one one asked and then this is

3700
02:50:52,699 --> 02:50:49,890
no knock I'm not trying to knock or put

3701
02:50:55,010 --> 02:50:52,709
anybody on the spot here but you're you

3702
02:50:56,599 --> 02:50:55,020
know David Wilcock I know you I'm

3703
02:50:59,269 --> 02:50:56,609
imagining you guys have private

3704
02:51:01,040 --> 02:50:59,279
conversations can you share anything oh

3705
02:51:02,239 --> 02:51:01,050
I mean what's his take on this is he

3706
02:51:04,159 --> 02:51:02,249
gonna come out and make a statement

3707
02:51:06,710 --> 02:51:04,169
because I really think he could probably

3708
02:51:09,290 --> 02:51:06,720
clear up some of this stuff but maybe

3709
02:51:10,909 --> 02:51:09,300
just lays low I mean what's going on

3710
02:51:13,189 --> 02:51:10,919
with David are we gonna have on the show

3711
02:51:17,359 --> 02:51:13,199
what do ya we could have him on the show

3712
02:51:23,349 --> 02:51:17,369
soon there's but what would what

3713
02:51:29,090 --> 02:51:27,079
what's the you said well Erik Erik you

3714
02:51:32,000 --> 02:51:29,100
said there's an obvious question that

3715
02:51:35,300 --> 02:51:32,010
everybody has so what's the obvious

3716
02:51:38,119 --> 02:51:35,310
question what's his opinion we I really

3717
02:51:40,010 --> 02:51:38,129
like to know his opinion on what's going

3718
02:51:44,269 --> 02:51:40,020
on with Corey and and you know his

3719
02:51:46,670 --> 02:51:44,279
position with his you know with what his

3720
02:51:48,649 --> 02:51:46,680
piss pants was and so and then of course

3721
02:51:50,899 --> 02:51:48,659
you got mr. rice on the other side but I

3722
02:51:52,849 --> 02:51:50,909
mean I'm gonna have to think I'm just

3723
02:51:55,429 --> 02:51:52,859
speculating I would think the Corey and

3724
02:51:57,349 --> 02:51:55,439
David would had a conversation I just

3725
02:51:58,880 --> 02:51:57,359
don't imagine the Corey would just come

3726
02:52:00,319 --> 02:51:58,890
out with that without consulting with

3727
02:52:02,149 --> 02:52:00,329
some people first I could be totally

3728
02:52:04,040 --> 02:52:02,159
wrong but would that make sense to you

3729
02:52:05,569 --> 02:52:04,050
that he would at least consult with

3730
02:52:05,899 --> 02:52:05,579
David who brought him forward to begin

3731
02:52:10,429 --> 02:52:05,909
with

3732
02:52:13,909 --> 02:52:10,439
I'm okay Eric what are you talking about

3733
02:52:16,670 --> 02:52:13,919
what's clarified talk to me like I'm

3734
02:52:21,079 --> 02:52:16,680
four years old what is it that you are

3735
02:52:23,210 --> 02:52:21,089
saying I'm just I'm just wondering okay

3736
02:52:26,090 --> 02:52:23,220
I just don't know that he got real good

3737
02:52:28,309 --> 02:52:26,100
advice I just I'm just trying to figure

3738
02:52:30,711 --> 02:52:28,319
out it mean real good advice on what on

3739
02:52:33,621 --> 02:52:30,721
Jason rice know

3740
02:52:35,390 --> 02:52:33,631
coming out with this this labeling thing

3741
02:52:38,060 --> 02:52:35,400
or you know this trademark thing and

3742
02:52:40,400 --> 02:52:38,070
taking a stand against mr. rice and just

3743
02:52:42,470 --> 02:52:40,410
basically trying to kind of draw the

3744
02:52:44,871 --> 02:52:42,480
line in the sand a little bit you know

3745
02:52:47,690 --> 02:52:44,881
but what is david hafted what does David

3746
02:52:49,070 --> 02:52:47,700
have to do with the trademark so he

3747
02:52:51,261 --> 02:52:49,080
doesn't have anything to do that I would

3748
02:52:53,060 --> 02:52:51,271
assume but okay I would just think that

3749
02:52:54,711 --> 02:52:53,070
that Corey would talk to David and I

3750
02:52:56,990 --> 02:52:54,721
would think that David would say that's

3751
02:52:59,301 --> 02:52:57,000
a good idea that's not a good idea or do

3752
02:53:00,470 --> 02:52:59,311
what you want I'm just kind of I'm just

3753
02:53:04,310 --> 02:53:00,480
trying to get into the head of what's

3754
02:53:12,890 --> 02:53:04,320
really going on okay I hear you there

3755
02:53:15,020 --> 02:53:12,900
I'm I am Not sure okay look what does

3756
02:53:17,720 --> 02:53:15,030
all everything that you just said Eric

3757
02:53:21,530 --> 02:53:17,730
and no disrespect what does that have to

3758
02:53:23,990 --> 02:53:21,540
do with anything okay my concern with

3759
02:53:27,770 --> 02:53:24,000
the trademarks okay this is my concern

3760
02:53:29,810 --> 02:53:27,780
is that trademarking your own internal X

3761
02:53:33,081 --> 02:53:29,820
well property fine go and have at it I

3762
02:53:35,990 --> 02:53:33,091
don't be that whatever my concern with

3763
02:53:40,091 --> 02:53:36,000
Corey and again I have no dogs in this

3764
02:53:43,640 --> 02:53:40,101
fight except when Corey

3765
02:53:46,430 --> 02:53:43,650
his attorneys send Jason writes a cease

3766
02:53:49,251 --> 02:53:46,440
and desist a couple of hours before fade

3767
02:53:52,671 --> 02:53:49,261
to black that I have an issue with you

3768
02:53:56,541 --> 02:53:52,681
know and and and trying to apparently

3769
02:53:59,001 --> 02:53:56,551
censor or silence or scare somebody from

3770
02:54:01,610 --> 02:53:59,011
appearing on a show like this you know I

3771
02:54:04,581 --> 02:54:01,620
that doesn't make sense to me so for me

3772
02:54:06,650 --> 02:54:04,591
that throws the concern about trademark

3773
02:54:08,480 --> 02:54:06,660
and freedom of speech and this community

3774
02:54:10,940 --> 02:54:08,490
could speak about whatever they want

3775
02:54:12,411 --> 02:54:10,950
kind of goes out the window if you're

3776
02:54:15,411 --> 02:54:12,421
gonna send somebody a cease and desist

3777
02:54:17,900 --> 02:54:15,421
letter unless I completely misunderstood

3778
02:54:20,751 --> 02:54:17,910
what that cease and desist letter was

3779
02:54:23,450 --> 02:54:20,761
intending to do if Jason rice is gonna

3780
02:54:25,520 --> 02:54:23,460
sell twenty and back t-shirts then

3781
02:54:27,530 --> 02:54:25,530
there's an issue there for Corey but

3782
02:54:29,541 --> 02:54:27,540
talking about 20 and back on this

3783
02:54:33,020 --> 02:54:29,551
program that has nothing to do with

3784
02:54:35,450 --> 02:54:33,030
Corey that is Jason's conversation you

3785
02:54:38,751 --> 02:54:35,460
know so you can't you can't have it both

3786
02:54:40,551 --> 02:54:38,761
ways so that's my concern you know so I

3787
02:54:42,820 --> 02:54:40,561
don't I don't know what the intention of

3788
02:54:44,590 --> 02:54:42,830
sending that letter was

3789
02:54:48,880 --> 02:54:44,600
if it was different than the way it

3790
02:54:50,920 --> 02:54:48,890
reads right the way a read says you

3791
02:54:53,110 --> 02:54:50,930
can't go on fade to black and talk about

3792
02:54:55,570 --> 02:54:53,120
these things well that's that has

3793
02:54:57,610 --> 02:54:55,580
nothing to do with with Corey or anybody

3794
02:54:59,261 --> 02:54:57,620
else you know and I want to be very

3795
02:55:01,240 --> 02:54:59,271
clear about that anybody can come on the

3796
02:55:02,890 --> 02:55:01,250
show and talk about what they want you

3797
02:55:07,810 --> 02:55:02,900
know nobody's gonna tell me what to say

3798
02:55:10,360 --> 02:55:07,820
or what a guest on this show can speak

3799
02:55:12,880 --> 02:55:10,370
about you can't do that you know that is

3800
02:55:15,220 --> 02:55:12,890
that is censorship and there's there's

3801
02:55:18,130 --> 02:55:15,230
nothing to prevent anybody from coming

3802
02:55:21,250 --> 02:55:18,140
on the show and speaking so there you go

3803
02:55:25,290 --> 02:55:21,260
that's my answer to that okay well I

3804
02:55:27,970 --> 02:55:25,300
just I realized that you're privy to

3805
02:55:30,160 --> 02:55:27,980
conversations that and I also understand

3806
02:55:31,570 --> 02:55:30,170
out of respect for someone who might

3807
02:55:33,370 --> 02:55:31,580
come to you and say look I want to share

3808
02:55:35,710 --> 02:55:33,380
this with you but this is private than

3809
02:55:37,840 --> 02:55:35,720
you as a professional you need to

3810
02:55:40,120 --> 02:55:37,850
maintain that privacy but what kind of

3811
02:55:41,860 --> 02:55:40,130
bothers me as a kind of a fan or

3812
02:55:43,360 --> 02:55:41,870
somebody on the outside is that you know

3813
02:55:45,070 --> 02:55:43,370
I see certain people out there which

3814
02:55:46,330 --> 02:55:45,080
these are the same people that you don't

3815
02:55:49,330 --> 02:55:46,340
pay attention to what they say which is

3816
02:55:51,190 --> 02:55:49,340
fine right but they assume they assume

3817
02:55:52,810 --> 02:55:51,200
that because you don't disclose

3818
02:55:54,761 --> 02:55:52,820
information that you've probably been

3819
02:55:56,590 --> 02:55:54,771
that you've given your honor that you

3820
02:55:58,301 --> 02:55:56,600
would keep private but that means that

3821
02:56:00,551 --> 02:55:58,311
you're taking aside or you have an

3822
02:56:02,230 --> 02:56:00,561
opinion that different than what you

3823
02:56:06,070 --> 02:56:02,240
present on the radio and I guess I just

3824
02:56:08,770 --> 02:56:06,080
kind of bug right yeah yeah and Eric

3825
02:56:16,360 --> 02:56:08,780
Eric you're so right with that and I

3826
02:56:18,220 --> 02:56:16,370
appreciate that but to to answer to try

3827
02:56:21,730 --> 02:56:18,230
to answer all of that first off I don't

3828
02:56:25,690 --> 02:56:21,740
listen to or watch or pay attention to

3829
02:56:28,450 --> 02:56:25,700
what others say III just don't do that I

3830
02:56:33,280 --> 02:56:28,460
I will say this in a very clear and

3831
02:56:39,040 --> 02:56:33,290
direct way I don't have any inside

3832
02:56:45,430 --> 02:56:39,050
information and I have tried to get that

3833
02:56:48,280 --> 02:56:45,440
information and not even if for myself

3834
02:56:51,130 --> 02:56:48,290
not to share on this show but certainly

3835
02:56:53,230 --> 02:56:51,140
to get clarification about what is what

3836
02:56:55,640 --> 02:56:53,240
is going on out there

3837
02:56:58,751 --> 02:56:55,650
I I do know that there are

3838
02:57:01,820 --> 02:56:58,761
some concerns that is flying around

3839
02:57:03,770 --> 02:57:01,830
inside of the circle where they are

3840
02:57:06,740 --> 02:57:03,780
trying to seek the same answers that all

3841
02:57:11,211 --> 02:57:06,750
of us are so that says to me that nobody

3842
02:57:15,051 --> 02:57:11,221
really knows and I find that very

3843
02:57:18,890 --> 02:57:15,061
compelling so that's why I said here in

3844
02:57:23,091 --> 02:57:18,900
a very clear way when the smoke clears

3845
02:57:26,001 --> 02:57:23,101
and there is a guilty party somebody is

3846
02:57:28,610 --> 02:57:26,011
going to be horribly embarrassed and a

3847
02:57:32,390 --> 02:57:28,620
career and a reputation is going to be

3848
02:57:35,180 --> 02:57:32,400
so tarnished that it's it's it's gonna

3849
02:57:38,450 --> 02:57:35,190
be it's painful to see somebody get

3850
02:57:41,091 --> 02:57:38,460
exiled you know but I think that that is

3851
02:57:43,430 --> 02:57:41,101
going to be ultimately the the end

3852
02:57:46,400 --> 02:57:43,440
result here I just don't know you know

3853
02:57:48,440 --> 02:57:46,410
and there and that that that's it you

3854
02:57:51,530 --> 02:57:48,450
know I'm not withholding anything but

3855
02:57:55,121 --> 02:57:51,540
even if I I did know something would i

3856
02:57:57,440 --> 02:57:55,131
breach it no there's too much legal

3857
02:58:00,770 --> 02:57:57,450
maneuvering that is going on right now

3858
02:58:02,871 --> 02:58:00,780
that that I'm gonna let everybody play

3859
02:58:04,310 --> 02:58:02,881
it out but it's got to get played out

3860
02:58:07,910 --> 02:58:04,320
and then we'll have something to talk

3861
02:58:10,700 --> 02:58:07,920
about and to report on but until then do

3862
02:58:12,860 --> 02:58:10,710
I know something oh man not really I

3863
02:58:15,501 --> 02:58:12,870
know that's a kind of a bummer for

3864
02:58:21,081 --> 02:58:15,511
everybody have I told you anything

3865
02:58:25,551 --> 02:58:21,091
private no right no you have you know

3866
02:58:27,320 --> 02:58:25,561
and we we I mean I've tried to speak in

3867
02:58:28,940 --> 02:58:27,330
a few questions privately and you just

3868
02:58:33,440 --> 02:58:28,950
kind of give me that look I know okay I

3869
02:58:35,780 --> 02:58:33,450
can't go there anyway and it is and and

3870
02:58:38,631 --> 02:58:35,790
I appreciate your friendship I know that

3871
02:58:42,730 --> 02:58:38,641
you have been out there on the road

3872
02:58:44,930 --> 02:58:42,740
you've you've you've made a lot of

3873
02:58:47,390 --> 02:58:44,940
contacts out there and you're out there

3874
02:58:50,421 --> 02:58:47,400
trying to struggle with these questions

3875
02:58:52,490 --> 02:58:50,431
and answers just like everybody else I'm

3876
02:58:54,020 --> 02:58:52,500
talking about the UFO question you know

3877
02:58:56,121 --> 02:58:54,030
and this is this is what you do and I

3878
02:58:57,831 --> 02:58:56,131
appreciate that Eric so don't ever

3879
02:59:00,650 --> 02:58:57,841
change my friend don't ever change

3880
02:59:01,640 --> 02:59:00,660
oh well great another great show look

3881
02:59:03,831 --> 02:59:01,650
forward to see you tomorrow night and

3882
02:59:04,769 --> 02:59:03,841
I'll let you wrap it up I I gotta go I'm

3883
02:59:06,539 --> 02:59:04,779
exactly

3884
02:59:09,239 --> 02:59:06,549
one minute late thank you so much Errol

3885
02:59:11,609 --> 02:59:09,249
I matter all right good night and that

3886
02:59:13,590 --> 02:59:11,619
wraps another episode of fade to black

3887
02:59:17,399 --> 02:59:13,600
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3888
02:59:19,170 --> 02:59:17,409
this in and let's do this right now I am

3889
02:59:20,340 --> 02:59:19,180
running a couple of minutes over but

3890
02:59:22,469 --> 02:59:20,350
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3891
02:59:24,269 --> 02:59:22,479
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3892
02:59:26,189 --> 02:59:24,279
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3897
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02:59:48,300 --> 02:59:47,049
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3909
03:00:00,659 --> 02:59:59,020
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3910
03:00:03,119 --> 03:00:00,669
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